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published in(发表于) 2013/10/29 7:48:12
Victims ’ lawyer advised Lee Lee’s initiative to apply for bone identification

Victims ' lawyer advised Lee Lee's initiative to apply for bone age identification | reoprt | x | Li Li Tian _ Sina News October 23, 2013 (editors: SN077)



















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  Microblogging suggestions made by the victim's lawyer Lee Lee's active application for bone age identification to law detailed rules







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Recently, public concern in rape cases such as Lee, Lee does an adult has been the focus of public opinion. In this regard, the victims ' lawyers in the case through the Sina weibo by army in the 20th, it is recommended that Lee's initiative to apply for bone age identification, in order to eliminate all doubts.







The army said in a Twitter: "about Lee's age, public security has been verified in the investigation, finds that it is a minor, didn't make the bone age identification. To the trial stage, notwithstanding the media questioning whether he is a minor, but the victim's trust in the judiciary, did not apply to the Court for identification of skeletal age. Now that there is still certain whether minor doubt Lee. In this regard, Lee's bone age identification can take the initiative to apply for it, against all the suspects. "This micro-blogging after exposure, users unanimously supported this proposal.







Fangshan District Court Criminal Division judge Dong Jie told late reporters, bone age identification applied to the administration of Justice is not new, as long as a dozen years ago, bone age identification as the basis is used in judicial cases. In the current criminal trial, ratio of bone age identification applied to all cases is not high, but defendant age is more common when in doubt.







Typically in either case use bone age identification? Bone age evaluation results would be entirely accurate? To this end, the reporter interviewed the authority of lawyers.







Lawyer perspective







Unknown suspects age bone age identification







Huang Haibo Beijing hanzhuo law firm Attorney profiles, auxiliary of bone age identification is usually applicable to criminal cases to investigate.







Suspects in criminal cases do not speak their real name, address, age, investigators to verify his actual age, and age will directly affect the convictions and sentences against suspects, police investigation, authorities can delegate to bone age identification or other scientific identification to determine their physical age.







Court to hear criminal cases should be about evidence, facts, and such and such case even if Lee has entered the stage of second instance, the people's Court if deemed necessary, can also be based on the specific circumstances of the case to decide whether to implement Lee bone age identification. Lee himself, the victim may apply for such identification.







Determine whether a minor residence certificate







Beijing jingdu law firm Liu Ling law identified as crime suspects and defendants are 18 years of age, residence certificate should generally prevail.







If the objects to the suspect's residence certificate and verified through proof of birth, no interested party testimony and other evidence proved that the defendant is under 18 years of age, finds that the defendant is under 18 years of age.







No household registration certificates and proof of birth, should be based on the Census register, no evidence, such as testimony of interested parties comprehensive judgment and, if necessary, you can make the bone age identification.







In the Lee case, if none of the existing materials such as household registration certificates, medical certificates of birth is sufficient to found that Lee was indeed minor and there is not enough evidence to confirm Lee







X may be an adult, even if the victim asked Lee to make skeletal identification, the Court will not agree to the victim's request. Because, in the residence certificate, medical certificate and other evidence has probative force of birth circumstances, its probative value should be higher than the bone age identification.







Victims put forward sufficient evidence to prove Lee's materials such as household registration certificates, medical certificates of birth does exist under the false premise, the Court may accept an application for bone age identification of suspects.







Accreditation for more than 18 years at the time of the crime or penalty







Liu Ling counsel notes that determine bone age identification has reached the age of 18, due to such and such a case, is a defendant appeals, the people's Procuratorate is not challenged, according to the "appeal without additional punishment" principle, the Court of second instance directly, its aggravating.







However, if Mr LEE has reached the age of 18 when the crime, it does not have this statutory mitigating or reducing the sentencing minors plot, the Court of first instance for their sentencing was inappropriate, but second-instance judgments or orders after the entry into force, in accordance with the procedure for trial supervision for retrial. After a retrial, Li should be aggravating.







Lawyers advise







Bone age identification of possible errors







Huang Haibo lawyers say the skeletal age determination is not absolutely accurate conclusion than other age assessment of bone age identification methods (such as mental age, mental age, and so on) is closer to the physiological age, but both are not fully consistent, technically, there might be some errors.







Bone age identification, shall be at the disposal of the judicial authorities, in accordance with its comprehensive judgements of the evidence and the circumstances of the case, and bone age identification of conclusions should also adopt and use with caution.







Given the technical limitations of bone age identification, it is recommended that Court in an age suspicious cases, bone age identification should also consider using other evidence, should at the same time investigating the defendant hospital, school age, the original registration of birth information, and so on, to achieve accurate age of the defendant is found, to make fair judgments in criminal cases.







Text/reporter Ji Xin Wang Hong

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(李某某案被害人律师建议李家主动申请骨龄鉴定|骨龄|李某某|李天一_新浪新闻


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视频:法院回应李某某案四大焦点问题


































  李某某案被害人律师发微博 建议李家主动申请骨龄鉴定 律师详解相关规定







  骨龄鉴定PK户籍证明谁说了算







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  日前,在备受公众关注的李某某等人强奸案中,李某某究竟是否成年一直是舆论的焦点。对此,该案被害人律师田参军在20日通过新浪微博提出,建议李家主动申请骨龄鉴定,以消除大家的疑惑。







  田参军在微博中称:“关于李某某的年龄,公安在侦查中已多方查证,认定其为未成年人,没对其进行骨龄鉴定。进入审判阶段,虽有媒体质疑他是否未成年,但被害人出于对司法机关的信任,也没向法院申请鉴定其骨龄。现在,仍有人对李某某是否未成年存疑。对此,或许李家可以主动申请对其进行骨龄鉴定,以免受众疑。”此微博曝光后,网友一致支持这一提议。







  房山法院刑事审判庭审判员董杰告诉法晚记者,骨龄鉴定应用于司法审判并非新鲜事,早在十几年前,骨龄鉴定就作为依据在司法案件中被使用。在目前的刑事审判中,骨龄鉴定的应用虽然占全部案件的比例不高,但是遇到被告人年龄问题存疑的情况时应用较为普遍。







  通常在哪种情况下可以使用骨龄鉴定?骨龄鉴定的结果是否完全准确?为此,记者采访了权威律师。







  律师观点







  不知嫌犯真实年龄常用骨龄鉴定







  北京市汉卓律师事务所黄海波律师介绍,骨龄鉴定通常适用于对刑事案件的辅助侦查。







  对于刑事案件中的犯罪嫌疑人不讲真实姓名、住址、年龄,侦查机关难以核实其实际年龄,而年龄又会直接影响到对犯罪嫌疑人的定罪和量刑,公安侦查机关就可以委托对其进行骨龄鉴定或其他科学鉴定,以确定其生理实际年龄。







  法院审理刑事案件应当讲证据、重事实,李某某案件即使已经进入二审阶段,人民法院如果认为有必要,也仍然可以根据案件的具体情况决定是否对李某某实施骨龄鉴定。李某某本人、被害人均可以提出此类鉴定申请。







  确定是否未成年先看户籍证明







  北京市京都律师事务所刘玲律师表示,认定犯罪嫌疑人、被告人是否已满18周岁,一般应当以户籍证明为准。







  如果对犯罪嫌疑人的户籍证明有异议,并有经查证属实的出生证明文件、无利害关系人的证言等证据,证明被告人不满18周岁的,应认定被告人不满18周岁。







  没有户籍证明以及出生证明文件的,应当根据人口普查登记、无利害关系人的证言等证据综合进行判断,必要时,可以进行骨龄鉴定。







  在李某某案中,如果现有的户籍证明、出生医学证明等材料足以认定李某某确实是未成年人,且没有足够的证据证实李







  某某可能是成年人,即使被害人要求对李某某做骨龄鉴定,法院也不会同意被害人的要求。因为,在户籍证明、出生医学证明等证据具有证明力的情况下,其证明力应高于骨龄鉴定。







  被害人只有在提出足够证据,证明李某某的户籍证明、出生医学证明等材料确实存在作假的前提下,法院才可能接受其对嫌疑人做骨龄鉴定的申请。







  鉴定若犯罪时超过18岁或加重处罚







  刘玲律师指出,如果骨龄鉴定确定李某某已满18周岁,由于李某某案是被告人提出上诉的,人民检察院没有提出抗诉,根据“上诉不加刑”原则,二审法院也不会直接对其加重处罚。







  但是,如果李某某犯罪时已满18周岁,则其不具有未成年这一法定从轻或减轻量刑情节,一审法院对其量刑是不适当的,而应待二审判决、裁定生效后,按照审判监督程序重新审判。重新审判后,李某某应该会被加重处罚。







  律师提醒







  骨龄鉴定可能存在误差







  黄海波律师表示,骨龄鉴定并非绝对准确,骨龄鉴定的结论只是比其他年龄评价方法(例如心理年龄、智力年龄等等)更接近生理年龄,但二者并非完全吻合,在技术上可能存在一定的误差。







  因此是否进行骨龄鉴定,应当由司法机关根据其掌握的证据资料以及案件具体情况综合判断确定,且得出的骨龄鉴定结论也应当谨慎采纳和使用。







  鉴于骨龄鉴定的技术局限性,建议法院在审理年龄存疑的刑事案件时,对于骨龄鉴定的意见还应当综合考虑其他证据谨慎使用,应当同时调查被告人出生医院、上学年龄、原始户籍登记信息等等情况,以做到准确认定被告人的实际年龄,对刑事案件作出公正的判决。







  文/记者纪欣汪红




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