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The author:(作者)左published in(发表于) 2013/11/12 0:15:07 Responsible person temporarily doesn’t authenticate the remains of Cao Cao’s Tomb in Henan DNA
Determine the news of Cao Cao's family's DNA, Fudan University, once again reminds us of the 2009 external announced the discovery of Cao Cao's Tomb in Anyang, Henan province has aroused great controversy. Today, the tomb of Cao Cao in Anyang City do you want to use DNA technology to confirm their "identity"? Yesterday, xinan evening news reporter in Henan provincial Institute of cultural relics and related personnel.
Situation Cao Cao gaoling Museum opened
"The announcement in 2009 when Cao Cao gaoling is the tomb of Cao Cao in Anyang, has aroused much controversy, but the evidence is quite comprehensive. "Yesterday, Deputy Director of Henan provincial Institute of cultural relics and archaeology, who participated in Cao Cao gaoling archaeological work of Jia Lianmin xinan evening news told over the phone, after Cao Cao Tomb dispute late in 2009 and early 2010 after a noisy, now Cao Cao's Tomb in Anyang were attributed to the calm.
It is understood that currently is built on the site of Cao Cao's Tomb in Anyang, Anyang City, "Cao Cao gaoling Museum", the Museum has been open to, and charge admission. Jia Lianmin told reporters that the result for Cao Cao's understanding of the world comes from the novel as well as a variety of unofficial history, and historical truth, there is a big discrepancy, so when "the tomb of Cao Cao in Anyang" found, will have a different sound, which is the normal academic debate. "We believe that the entire evidence is still full of the Cao Cao Tomb in Anyang. ”
DNA archaeology authoritative controversial
"Today, we are also very concerned about this message, using DNA identification of Cao Cao's family, this is a new idea and a new method, but this method is controversial. "Jia Lianmin believes that DNA identification of the ancients is a new archaeological research methods, but the authenticity of this method is currently not fully recognized by the academia. In his view, the DNA will be contaminated, such as modern humans come into contact with human remains, it is possible to make the remains have come to modern human DNA. "Now this is a research and development, cannot be said to have been qualitative. "Jia Lianmin believes that DNA identification is not the same as carbon 13 archaeological authority approved, nor are found exclusively in practice.
"We cannot say that DNA identification has no scientific basis, but for the moment, has not been widely recognized academic, but our perception is limited. "Jia Lianmin believed that Cao Cao's family are identified through DNA, it is a scholarship, but it does not indicate that it is completely correct.
Will not pull up the remains for DNA identification
According to reports, Cao Cao in Anyang, 2009 excavation at the Tomb, found that Shi Bi three GUI. Chamber cleaning found some skulls, limb bones and other parts of the remains, initially identified as a man and two women and 3 individuals, tomb's male, aged about 60 years old, and Cao Cao's death corresponds to 66 years of age. Anyang archaeology finds that male individuals for Cao Cao remains.
Cao Cao in Anyang will extract the DNA identification of the remains of the Tomb? "We present and human genetics lab of Fudan University and did not cooperate, and DNA identification methods are still in the research stage, so for the time being will not be considered. "Jia Lianmin said.
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True Cao Cao's Tomb
December 2009, Henan province cultural relics Bureau released to the media a major archaeological achievements: Cao Cao gaoling received archaeological confirmation of Henan, Cao Cao's Tomb in Anyang, Henan province. This says it is carried out, caused a huge controversy.
In September 2010, despite the Chinese Academy of social sciences experts behind, there are still dozens of experts and scholars across the country challenging the authenticity of Cao Cao's Tomb. Anyang in the voices of doubt have canceled the Devil's birthday ceremony.
In December 2011, Cao Cao's tomb is the most strongly questioned Anyang, claiming "holding a solid evidence" yanpeidong, fugitive investigations by the police was the Internet. Since then, Cao Cao's Tomb in Anyang voices of doubt have decreased, but it hasn't gone away.
In March 2013, the archaeological expert Xu Guangji published articles of the Cao Cao's tomb is still not settled, many scholars, once again set off to question controversy.
Evening news tracking
In December 2009, Anyang announced news of Cao Cao's tomb is just evening quickly met with Anhui researchers from relevant experts, and Cao Cao was born in bozhou, listen to the questions they raised.
In September 2010, Lin went to Anyang visit "Cao Cao gaoling" local news of the cancellation of the Devil's birthday ceremony, bozhou related seminars held at the same time paying attention.
In December 2011, according to Fudan University related research, evening news reported the "most likely to Cao Cao's descendants in shucheng" message.
In May 2012, Lin shucheng, visit understanding on academics authenticated "Cao Cao's descendants" living conditions.
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Tomb of Cao Cao Cao Cao in Anyang, my people do not recognize
Through modern technology, mysteries of Cao Cao's life had a new argument. However, the authenticity of the tomb of Cao Cao in Anyang, continuing trade dispute. Bozhou city, bozhou, curator of the Museum Society of Cao Ren Xiaomin, Vice President of buried does not agree with Cao Cao in Anyang, said.
Ren Xiaomin was visited in Anyang on "Cao Cao's Tomb" of experts. On December 28, 2009, he and the other in bozhou city experts to "Cao Cao's hometown person" status, Cao Cao gaoling 4-day trips to Anyang, and gained access to the tomb of Cao Cao in Anyang. Ren Xiaomin told reporters that the clans in the tomb of Cao Cao and Cao Cao's Tomb in Anyang City there are lots of different places, such as on the layout, only the first room of the Tomb in Anyang, back rooms and rooms, and the tomb of Cao Cao clan generally have room after room and front room,.
At one point, Anyang masonry technique of Cao Cao's Tomb and the tomb of Cao Cao clan very big difference. Brick Tomb in Anyang, bricklaying mortar exposed wall tiles with uneven surfaces, painted limestone with different, is very rough. Ren Xiaomin introduction, bozhou tomb of Cao Cao clan mostly painted, even without painting, and cinnabar red line; Tomb in Anyang is not painted and whitewashed walls.
Ren Xiaomin believes that present exactly where the tomb of Cao Cao, academia, there is a lot of controversy, and many people speculated that Mt solitary in bozhou buried may be of the devil.
Bozhou City cultural relics administrative office staff said Zhang Nianqi, untouched Cao Cao has been banned, and in his will to clear account of his death "when folding clothes, ... ... No hidden Jin Yuzhen treasure. " So Zhang Nianqi think, the real Cao Cao's Tomb may be small but excellent.
Cao Cao clan graves
Cao Cao clan graves in bozhou city covers an area of 5 square kilometers. 1974-1977, Museum of bozhou city cleanup during the Han, Wei, Cao Cao clan burial ground, block 5, unearthed a large number of bronze, stone, metal, porcelain, pottery, glass, silver, ivory, jade, and other, more rare silver thread Jade burial suit, copper and jade garments as well as brick. July 17, 2001, as the fifth batch of national key cultural relic protection units. (Reporter Zhou Ye Yuan Xinghong star reporters)
(Original title: "the tomb of Cao Cao in Anyang" have no intention of doing DNA identification (photo))
复旦大学确定曹操家族DNA的消息，再次让我们想起了2009年河南安阳对外宣布发现曹操墓引起的巨大争议。如今，安阳曹操墓是否要利用DNA技术证实自己的“身份”呢？昨天，新安晚报记者采访了河南省文物考古研究所相关负责人。
现状 曹操高陵博物馆已开放
“2009年宣布安阳的曹操高陵即为曹操墓时，引起了很大争议，但相关证据还是比较全面的。”昨天，河南省文物考古研究所副所长、曾参与曹操高陵考古工作的贾连敏在电话中告诉新安晚报记者，经过2009年底到2010年初的曹操墓争议的喧闹之后，目前安阳曹操墓已归于平静。
据了解，安阳曹操墓原址上目前已经建起了安阳市“曹操高陵博物馆”，该博物馆已经对外开放，并收取门票。贾连敏告诉记者，由于世人对于曹操的了解多来自于小说以及各种野史，这与历史真相存在较大出入，所以当“安阳曹操墓”发现后，就会有不同的声音，这是正常的学术争论。“我们认为，整个安阳曹操墓的证据还是比较全面充分的。”
观点 DNA考古权威性存争议
“今天我们也很关注这则消息，用DNA鉴定曹操家族，这是一个新思路和新方法，但目前这种方法还是存在争议的。”贾连敏认为，DNA鉴定古人是新兴的考古研究方法，但目前这个方法的权威性并不能得到学术界的完全认可。他认为，DNA也会受到污染，比如现代人接触到遗骸，就有可能会使得遗骸沾染了现代人的DNA。“目前这还是一个处于发展和探讨中的研究，不能说已经定性。”贾连敏认为，DNA鉴定并不是像碳十三考古方法一样受到权威认可，也没有完全在实践中得到认定。
“我们不能说DNA鉴定没有科学依据，但目前来说，还没有得到学术界广泛认可，而且我们对这一块认知也很有限。”贾连敏认为，曹操家族通过DNA得以确定，这是一个学术成果，但并不能表明其完全就是正确的。
打算 不会拿遗骸做DNA鉴定
据介绍，2009年发掘安阳曹操墓时，发现石璧三个，圭一个。在墓室清理中，发现有人头骨、肢骨等部分遗骨，初步鉴定为一男两女3个个体，其中墓主人为男性，年龄在60岁左右，与曹操的卒年66岁相吻合。安阳考古界认定这具男性个体为曹操遗骸。
安阳曹操墓会不会提取这具遗骸的DNA做鉴定呢？“我们目前和复旦大学人类遗传学实验室并没有合作，而且DNA鉴定的方法还在研究阶段，所以暂时不会考虑。”贾连敏表示。
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真假曹操墓
●2009年12月，河南省文物局向媒体公布一项重大考古成果：曹操高陵在河南得到考古确认，曹操墓就在河南安阳。此说一出，引起巨大争议。
●2010年9月，尽管有中国社科院专家力挺，全国各地仍有数十名专家学者对曹操墓的真实性提出质疑。安阳方面在质疑声中取消了曹操诞辰大典。
●2011年12月，质疑安阳曹操墓最为坚决，声称“手握铁证”的闫沛东，被警方调查出实是网上逃犯。此后，对于安阳曹操墓的质疑声减小，但并未消失。
●2013年3月，考古专家徐光冀公开发表文章《曹操墓仍不可定论》，得到众多学者响应，再次掀起质疑风波。
晚报在追踪
●2009年12月，安阳曹操墓的消息刚刚公布，晚报就迅速采访了安徽相关专家以及曹操出生地亳州的研究人员，听他们提出心中疑问。
●2010年9月，晚报记者远赴安阳探访“曹操高陵”，得到当地取消曹操诞辰大典的消息，同时对亳州举办的相关研讨会给予关注。
●2011年12月，按照复旦大学的相关研究，晚报报道了“最可能曹操后人在舒城”的消息。
●2012年5月，晚报记者赴舒城探访，了解学界认定的“曹操后人”的生活状况。
延伸阅读
曹操老家人 不认安阳曹操墓
通过现代科技，曹操身世之谜有了新说法。然而，对于安阳曹操墓的真伪，业界争议仍在持续。亳州市博物馆馆长、亳州曹操研究会副会长任晓民就不认同曹操葬在安阳之说。
任晓民曾是赴安阳考察“曹操墓”的专家之一。2009年12月28日，他和其他亳州专家以“曹操老家人”的身份，对安阳的曹操高陵进行4天的考察，并获准进入安阳曹操墓。任晓民告诉记者，安阳的曹操墓和曹操宗族墓存在很多不一样的地方，比如在布局上，安阳墓只有前室、后室和偏室，而曹操宗族墓一般都有前室、中室和后室。
还有一点，安阳曹操墓和曹操宗族墓的砌筑工艺相差非常大。安阳墓砖缝大，砌砖的灰浆暴露在外，墙砖凹凸不平，粉刷的石灰厚薄不一，显得尤为粗糙。任晓民介绍，亳州曹操宗族墓大多有彩绘，即便没有彩绘，也有朱砂红线；安阳墓没有彩绘，只是白灰墙。
任晓民认为，目前对曹操墓究竟在什么地方，学术界还有许多争议，还有不少人猜测，位于亳州的观音山孤堆可能是曹操安葬地。
亳州市文物管理处工作人员张念琦也表示，曹操生前曾下令禁止厚葬，并且在遗嘱中明确交代他死后要“敛以时服，……无藏金玉珍宝”。因此张念琦认为，真正的曹操墓或许是小而精的。
曹操宗族墓群
位于亳州城区的曹操宗族墓群面积达5平方公里。1974~1977年，亳州市博物馆清理5座汉魏时期曹操宗族墓地，出土一大批铜器、铁器、瓷器、陶器、石器、银器、象牙、玻璃、玉器等，其中较为珍贵的有银缕玉衣，铜缕玉衣以及字砖。2001年7月17日被列为第五批全国重点文物保护单位。(记者 袁星红 星级记者 周晔)
(原标题：“安阳曹操墓”不打算做DNA鉴定(图))
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