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The author:(作者)hpmailerpublished in(发表于) 2013/12/1 20:51:23 Henan legislative provisions businesses do not pay fines being questioned
Xinhuanet, Zhengzhou, December 1 (reporter Shang Kunlun)-considered the enterprise the collective wage negotiations in Henan province Ordinance (draft) recently aroused public concern. Which provides that boss without a legitimate reason but do not give their workers a raise, will face a fine of up to 10,000 yuan. This was summed up as "not pay a fine," the terms cyber-hot, except ridicule outside the penalty is inadequate, some netizens questioned "this is the ' pay '? ”
Xiao Zhang engaged in Internet-related jobs in Zhengzhou, he jumped 3 times within 5 years slots, one major reason is that these small companies lack a reasonable salary increase mechanism. "Talk with the boss pay? It's no use. You don't do it, somebody else did. ”
It is understood that the planning of the enterprise the collective wage negotiations in Henan province Ordinance, is based on the legal promoting system of collective consultation on wages, so that workers and enterprises may use corporate forms of wage allocation system, distribution, income levels of equal remuneration matters, such as collective wage negotiations. Has always been the only programmes without due cause or position excluding reasonable views and ideas of the other side, if the circumstances are serious, the labor Administrative Department the company can be fined 2000 Yuan to 20,000 yuan fine, the legal representative or principal responsible person of the enterprise a fine of 1000 Yuan to 10,000 yuan fine.
Although the collective wage negotiations in Henan province Ordinance aimed at protecting the interests of working people like Xiao Zhang, but "not pay a fine" argument is to make him feel a little ridiculous: "don't pay fine of 10,000, if my boss I would rather receive a fine. ”
Chang represented the views of most users. "Only love 320" says: "just saw this news very happy, but wanted to give the thumbs up praising such a thoughtful public policy. But wondering, hehe ... ... A raise may cost 500,000 yuan, not only pay the highest fine of 10,000 yuan, make me play it? Looks like it really is a bunch of people who don't have to worry about wage research salary! "" Love the fun cold fragrance "believes that such sanctions" cannot really safeguard the interests of workers, will not deter unscrupulous bosses. ”
There are also netizens who noted that bosses give a raise or not, will be resolved not with a fine thing to do. A Netizen named "ends of a Ranger," said: "workers ' low wages, bosses do not pay increases will inevitably lead to loss of employees, accelerating the demise of enterprise. This is a question of market balance, no Government can take care of things. "" Landscape into a forest, "say:" Enterprise marriage? Is this the right market? Can't keep a person would naturally increase, you kind of ' pay '? ”
Henan University of Economics and law, Professor Fan Ming believed that promote the collective wage negotiation mechanism be recognized by legislation, but "plus no pay rise" cannot be imposed by simple Ordinance to intervene. "The market plays a decisive role in the allocation of resources, workers ' wages are determined by the market, forcing wages by administrative means there is a problem. ”
"The collective wage negotiation mechanism is appealing, but how much rose was related to market conditions, the economic environment, ultimately have to resolve by consultation of the employers. "Fan Ming also pointed out that if employers out of wages below the local minimum wage, workers through national regulations on minimum wage to protect their legitimate rights and interests.
新华网郑州12月1日电(记者尚昆仑)审议中的《河南省企业工资集体协商条例(草案)》近日引起社会关注。其中规定，老板无正当理由却始终不给员工加薪的，将面临最高一万元的罚款。这条被总结为“不加薪就罚款”的条款受到网络热议，除了调侃处罚力度不够之外，更有网友质疑，“这是政府该操的‘薪’吗？”
小张在郑州从事网络相关工作，5年内他跳了3次槽，其中很重要的原因就是这些小公司缺乏合理的涨薪机制。“跟老板谈工资？没用。你不干也有别人干。”
据了解，拟出台的《河南省企业工资集体协商条例》，就是以法律方式推进工资集体协商制度，使职工方与企业可依法就企业工资分配制度、分配形式、收入水平等劳动报酬事项进行平等的工资集体协商。无正当理由始终以唯一方案或者立场排斥对方合理意见和主张的，情节严重的，劳动行政部门可对该企业处以两千元至两万元的罚款，对企业法定代表人或主要负责人处以一千元至一万元的罚款。
虽然《河南省企业工资集体协商条例》旨在保护像小张一样的上班族的利益，但“不加薪就罚款”的说法还是让他觉得有些可笑：“不加薪最多罚一万，我要是老板也宁可接受罚款了事。”
小张的话代表了大多数网友的看法。“爱唯一320”表示：“刚看到这条消息特别开心，不由得想竖起大拇指称赞如此体贴民意的政策。可是一琢磨，呵呵呵……加薪可能支出50万元，不加薪最高才罚一万元，逗我玩儿呢？看来果然是一群不用发愁工资的人在研究工资！”“爱凑热闹的冷香”认为，这样的处罚力度“既不能真正保障工人的权益，也无法震慑无良老板。”
也有网友指出，老板给不给加薪，不是用罚款就能解决的事。网友“天涯海角一游侠”说：“工人工资低，老板不加薪必然导致员工流失，加快企业的消亡。这是一个市场经济平衡的问题，不是政府能管好的事。”“山水成林”直言：“还在政企不分？这是市场化吗？留不住人自然会加薪，要你操哪门子‘薪’？”
河南财经政法大学教授樊明认为，通过立法推动工资集体协商机制值得肯定，但“加不加薪”不能用简单的条例强加干预。“市场在资源配置中起决定性作用，劳动者的工资是由市场来决定的，用行政办法强迫工资就有问题。”
“工资集体协商机制是值得推广的，但到底涨多少，是跟大的市场环境、经济环境相关，最终还是要通过劳资双方的协商来解决。”樊明同时指出，如果用工单位开出的工资低于当地最低工资标准，劳动者可通过国家《最低工资规定》保障自己的合法权益。
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