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The author:(作者)delvpublished in(发表于) 2013/12/29 5:13:35 Just like movies， revealing how the reporter interviewing Snowden，
Just like movies, revealing how the reporter interviewing Snowden-Snowden-it news Just like movies, revealing how journalists interviewing Snowden
In 2013, Snowden, a General of the United States "after the" hold "in defense of privacy" obsession with United States massive intelligence spying program airing before the world over and over again. Thus, among the six, Snowden became from a grass-roots shaken United States and, indeed, the world of man. In Hong Kong, is snow's "Almost Famous" first and most important one. Hong Kong's English newspaper South China Morning Post also interviewed Snowden, the newspaper revelations, promotes United States wiretapping scandal is rapidly becoming big international events.
Recently, the editor of the South China Morning Post, Wang Xiangwei Snowden told reporters about the newspaper interview, behind-the-scenes stories.
Journalists fear track-hopping transport
Newspaper: the South China Morning Post how to get in touch with Snowden?
Wang Xiangwei: contact snow day is on June 12, the Dragon Boat Festival, I was impressed.
Prior to this, we have been working hard at it. Snowden received after the interview with the guardian, I told you I wanted to the first time to find him. The guardian published a photo and a video, we judge the snow in an interview at a five-star hotel in Hong Kong. After we sent our reporter to did not find Snowden, in an interview to the guardian journalist. Later, we sent a lot of manpower, through various clues to Snowden, but couldn't find it. On June 12, our reporter Lana Lam suddenly got a call, saying that had the opportunity to interview Snowden.
A: is the middleman calls? Has he put forward any request, please?
Wang Xiangwei: Yes. I would like to send a photographer to go with Lana, but they made clear that cannot have a second person.
A: there are rumors that interview was very dramatic, Snowden of the reporters of various requirements, like cell phones and the like, this is really you?
Wang Xiangwei: don't have a lot of requirements do not allow cell phones is true. A Hong Kong lawyer said when meeting with Snowden to carry a cell phone in the fridge. We are not, because prior to the interview, the intermediaries have made do not take cell phone.
Snowden broker ask Lana to take certain precautions, not being followed. Lana before to Snowden, also acting like a movie. She is afraid of being followed, on the train, the subway, taxi in one place, and then to get another taxi.
Newspaper: Lana interviewing Snowden, is to ask questions, or snow just to give her some information?
Wang Xiangwei: not just information, there are questions.
Newspaper: Snowden says some unexpected things?
Wang Xiangwei: snow to our reporter about the two main things: United States National Security Agency (NSA) listens to the Hong Kong and mainland China.
Snowden was with Lana, "said Chinese University of Hong Kong." While we were in Hong Kong newspapers, but it is not clear why Snowden said the focus of NSA eavesdropping is one of the Chinese University of Hong Kong. After enquiries, we found that Hong Kong Internet Exchange is located in the campus of the Chinese University of Hong Kong. This Centre is the layout of the Hong Kong Internet exchange points.
Snowden gave us broke providing NSA invaded several of China's major telecommunications companies to steal messages, as well as the NSA wiretapping of Tsinghua University server message. We query to find, is one of China's six major Internet backbone switching center of Tsinghua University.
Meeting newspaper top tapping without a cell phone
Newspaper: Snowden was informed that journalists could go to interview the other day, newspapers react?
Wang Xiangwei: newspaper was the only top few people know about it. To tell you the truth, we started is also doubtful. Lana got a phone call this afternoon went, didn't come back at 6 o'clock in the evening. I was actually a little worried, with several other senior editors said would never do anything right. Because nobody knows the actual situation was kind of scary.
We last before 4:30 P.M. is basically set sections of the day. At that meeting did not line up Snowden interviews section, basic don't expect issued on that day.
Later, Lana come back safely, we're assured. After Lana tell us the content of the interview, a few of us who are particularly excited about, doing the research to do in the meeting room. That day the paper's Newsroom, senior executives of major. When we're talking about, or what phones would be bugged, so we went into the room, put the phone on the outside.
A: consult senior newspaper?
Wang Xiangwei: Lana returns, 7 o'clock at night, but I decided that day, layout and section's organization was reorganized.
That night, I made a bold decision, the first manuscript online, published in the newspaper. This is the South China Morning Post newspaper and network for the first time too. In accordance with our usual practice, exclusive articles first published in the newspaper, the newspaper out of the street before you put it on the network.
That night, we had a notice on the Internet, said Snowden's exclusive interview, followed by Internet access. Reaction at that time significantly beyond our expectations.
Notice after Internet, significant increase in website traffic, readers have a message saying "come on, come on, and when Internet access". I hurried the reporters write as soon as possible, then articles apart, put online content into many parts of the interview in order to increase traffic on your network.
American intelligence agencies have contacted us
Newspaper: interviewing Snowden, brought to the South China Morning Post had any effect?
Wang Xiangwei: the day after our progressive online the content of interviews and views soared 11 or 12 o'clock at night, when some readers say that the Web site will not open. Many of my colleagues by surprise, thinking that if my website was hacked. We get to call IT departments, then know that not to be black, because the pageview rises too fast, causing servers to keep up, we hasten to increase the capacity expansion, the network began to stabilize.
Later stories would not have said. The next day, our newspapers sold out at many newsstands in Hong Kong, not buy. According to the statistical figures, our circulation has risen by 15% for three days.
Do you think, why snow would choose the South China Morning Post revealed a message?
Wang Xiangwei: interview with Snowden, and it is hard to find things.
My understanding is that Snowden told the South China Morning Post broke its own considerations. When Snowden do seem to want to stay in Hong Kong, it means he wants through judicial channels in Hong Kong and the United States to court to avoid extradition. Therefore, Snowden to get the support of the people of Hong Kong. He needs to find a local credibility of newspapers in Hong Kong, will tell his story, for support.
However, he does not look for Chinese media, because he does not understand Chinese. Therefore, the South China Morning Post he found was a natural thing.
Newspaper: United States have contacted newspapers? Newspaper under the pressure of the US intelligence agencies do?
Wang Xiangwei: I can clearly say that we were not subjected to any US pressure. Beauty does not have to contact me.
Snowden said he would not disclose the military intelligence
Newspaper: the South China Morning Post and whether Snowden had to sign a confidentiality agreement?
Wang Xiangwei: no sign any confidentiality agreements, first of all, he gives what we've reported, second Snowden's mind is very clear, he told us very clearly, how he gave us the NSA information theft of civilian intelligence, doesn't give us military information. He said, don't ask me about the military aspects of it, even if she did, I wouldn't tell you.
I have said before, after the dust settles, will explain to the outside world in an interview context. Subsequently, however, I didn't say that. Because we are through intermediaries and Snowden contacted. When Snowden and intermediaries have made clear, he did not completely safe before, best not to reveal details about the interview, details such as the interview where, how, so we still honor its commitments.
The Beijing News: Secrets of the newspaper there is no more snow?
Wang Xiangwei: I can clearly say, we have no more information in their hands. Snowden is a very smart man, he's going to focus on. He might want to stay in Hong Kong at that time, trying to win the support of the people of Hong Kong, he said information on NSA wiretapping, interception of the Chinese mainland and Hong Kong. He is expected to put a step by step to, step.
Newspaper: the South China Morning Post and Snowden have now connected?
Wang Xiangwei: we and Snowden intermediaries maintain close contact. We used to hold a great deal of hope that can continue from the snow, but then nothing.
A: How do you evaluate the Snowden?
Wang Xiangwei: we have interviewed him, performance of his other visits were observed, he was a great young man, very clear, know what to say. I personally think that Snowden is an idealist. He told Lana that he joined the NSA is to get the information, he got tired and broke. He is certainly not for the money, he in the United States already high annual salary. He was not supposed to, although he has become the world's most famous people, but he's paying a very heavy price.
After the "counter-attack"
Through 2013, the international press reports, a person's name, without exception, to steal the headlines of the media in various languages – Snowden.
In the international situation in the past for a long time, rarely has a grass-roots people can have so much power, stirring international politics. Explosion of the Snowden, vibrations are not only United States national intelligence system, and United States allies real strategic layout system and. Snowden just turned 30 years old, he is a typical post, is a typical idealistic, even desirable to want to pull together the realism of Putin "revolution". However, it is also the kind of single-minded idealists, encourage young Snowden would dare risk losing their homeland, and even lost their lives on the line and still afford to challenge the world's most powerful nation. "Obsession, there will be echoes." Snowden, was last year's most thrilling "post counter attack."
像拍电影一样，揭秘记者如何采访斯诺登 - 斯诺登 - IT资讯像拍电影一样，揭秘记者如何采访斯诺登
2013年，斯诺登，一个普通的美国“80后”，抱着“捍卫隐私”的执念，将美国庞大的情报监听计划一次又一次地晾晒在全世界面前。由此，在短短半年之间，斯诺登从一介草根成为撼动美国、乃至全世界的风云人物。香港，是斯诺登“成名之路”最初、也是最重要的一站。香港英文媒体《南华早报》也在这里专访了斯诺登，这家报纸的爆料，推动了美国窃听丑闻迅速成为重磅国际事件。
近日，《南华早报》总编辑王向伟向记者讲述了该报采访斯诺登的幕后故事。
记者怕跟踪频换交通工具
新京报：《南华早报》当时怎么与斯诺登取得联系？
王向伟：联系上斯诺登那天是6月12日，端午节，我印象很深。
在这之前，我们也一直在努力。斯诺登在香港接受《卫报》专访之后，我就说要第一时间找到他。《卫报》刊登了一张照片和一段视频，我们判断出斯诺登在香港一家五星级酒店接受采访。我们派了记者去了之后，并没有找到斯诺登，采访到了《卫报》的记者。后来，我们也派了大量的人力，通过各种关系去找斯诺登的线索，但是没有找到。6月12日，我们的记者Lana Lam突然接到一个电话，说有机会采访斯诺登。
新京报：是中间人的电话吗？他提出什么要求了吗？
王向伟：是的。我想再派一个摄影记者和Lana一起去，但是对方明确表示，不能有第二个人。
新京报：有一些传闻说，当时采访很戏剧化，斯诺登对记者提出各种要求，比如不让带手机之类，这是真的吗？
王向伟：并没有很多要求，不让带手机是真的。有一个香港律师说跟斯诺登见面时要把手机放在冰箱里。我们没有，因为采访之前，中间人已经提出不能带手机。
斯诺登的中间人要求Lana采取一些防范措施，不要被人跟踪。Lana在去见斯诺登之前，也跟演电影似的。她怕被人跟踪，上地铁，下地铁，打车到一个地方，再换另外一辆出租车。
新京报：Lana如何采访斯诺登，是进行提问，还是斯诺登仅仅给了她一些资料？
王向伟：不是只拿资料，是有提问。
新京报：斯诺登说了一些令人意想不到的事情吗？
王向伟：当时斯诺登主要对我们的记者谈了两个事情：美国国家安全局（NSA）对香港和中国内地的监听。
斯诺登当时跟Lana说，“要提香港中文大学”。我们虽然是香港报纸，但是也不清楚为什么斯诺登说NSA窃听的重点之一是香港中文大学。查询之后我们发现，香港互联网交换中心位于香港中文大学校内。这个中心是香港境内互联网信息交换的布局点。
斯诺登给我们爆料，提供NSA侵入中国主要的几家电信公司盗取短信，以及NSA窃听清华大学服务器的消息。我们查询才发现，清华大学是中国六大互联网骨干交换中心之一。
报社高层怕窃听开会不带手机
新京报：那天获悉记者可以去采访斯诺登，报社有什么反应？
王向伟：当时只有报社高层的几个人知道这件事。说实话，我们一开始也是半信半疑。Lana下午接到电话之后就去了，到了晚上6点多还没回来。我当时确实有点担心了，跟另外几个高级编辑还说，不会出什么事情吧。因为谁也不知道实际情况啊，真有点提心吊胆。
我们最后一次编前会是下午4点半，基本上能把当天的稿件定下了。在那个会上并没有排上对斯诺登的采访稿件，基本也没指望当天能发稿。
后来，Lana平安回来，我们才放心。Lana跟我们讲了采访的内容之后，我们几个人都特别激动，在会议室里一块儿研究怎么做。那天报社新闻编辑部主要的高层都在。我们在讨论的时候，也不知道电话会不会被窃听，因此我们进到会议室之前，也都把手机放在外面。
新京报：报社高层怎么商量的？
王向伟：Lana回来时，已经晚上7点多了，不过我还是决定当天用，对版面和稿件安排做了重新调整。
那天晚上，我做了个大胆的决定，先把稿件上网，再在报纸上刊登。这也算是《南华早报》第一次做出报纸和网络结合的大胆尝试。按照我们常规做法，独家稿件先在报纸上刊登，报纸出街之后再放在网络上。
当天晚上，我们先在网上做了一个预告，说有斯诺登的独家专访，内容随后上网。当时的反应极大地超乎我们的预料。
预告放上网之后，网站浏览量大幅上升，读者纷纷留言说“快快快，什么时候上网”。我就催着记者尽快写，然后把文章打散，把采访的内容分成很多部分放在网上，以增加网络的浏览量。
美情报机构没有联系过我们
新京报：采访斯诺登，给《南华早报》带来了什么影响？
王向伟：当天我们把采访的内容逐步放在网上后，浏览量大涨，到了晚上十一二点的时候，有些读者说网站打不开了。我们很多同事心里一惊，想着是不是网站被黑了。我们赶紧给IT部门打电话，后来知道，不是被黑了，是因为浏览量上升太快，导致服务器跟不上，我们又赶紧增加扩容量，网络才开始稳定。
以后的故事就不用说了。第二天，我们的报纸在香港很多报摊卖光了，买不到了。根据统计的数字，我们三天内的发行量上升了15%。
新京报：你觉得，为什么斯诺登会选择《南华早报》披露消息？
王向伟：能采访到斯诺登，这是可遇而不可求的事情。
我理解，斯诺登对《南华早报》爆料有自己的考虑。当时斯诺登似乎确实想留在香港，那就意味着他要借助香港的司法渠道与美国打官司，避免引渡。因此，斯诺登要得到香港人民的支持。他需要找一家在香港本地有公信力的报纸，将他的故事说出来，获得支持。
不过，他不会找中文媒体，因为他看不懂中文。因此，他找到《南华早报》是个自然的事情。
新京报：美国方面有没有和报社联系过？报社受到过美方情报机构的压力吗？
王向伟：我可以明确地说，我们没有受到任何美方的压力。美方没有和我联系过。
斯诺登说，他不会透露军事情报
新京报：《南华早报》和斯诺登是否签了保密协议？
王向伟：没有签任何的保密协议，首先他给的东西我们已经都报道了，第二斯诺登本人的头脑非常清楚，他当时非常清楚地告诉我们，他只给我们NSA如何窃取民用目标情报的信息，不会给我们军事方面的信息。他说，你不要问我关于军事方面的东西，就算有，我也不会告诉你。
我之前曾说过，待事件尘埃落定后，会向外界交代采访事件的来龙去脉。但是，后来我没说。因为我们是通过中间人和斯诺登联系上。当时中间人和斯诺登都明确表示，在他没有完全安全之前，最好不要透露关于采访的细节，诸如采访在哪里进行、怎样进行等细节，所以我们到现在还在恪守承诺。
新京报：报社还有没有更多斯诺登的秘密？
王向伟：我可以明确地说，我们手里已经没有更多的信息了。斯诺登是一个非常聪明的人，他会有的放矢地放料。当时他可能想留在香港，想要赢得香港人民的支持，他就只说NSA如何窃听香港、窃听中国内地的信息。他放料都是一步步来，很有步骤性。
新京报：《南华早报》现在还和斯诺登有联系吗？
王向伟：我们和斯诺登的中间人还保持着密切的联系。我们以前曾经抱着很大的希望，还能从斯诺登方面继续拿料，但是后来没有实现。
新京报：你如何评价斯诺登？
王向伟：我们曾经采访过他，也对他在接受其他访问的表现进行了观察，他是一个了不起的年轻人，思路非常清晰，清楚自己要说什么话。我个人认为，斯诺登是一个理想主义者。他跟Lana说过，他加入NSA就是为了要拿资料，他拿够了之后，就要爆料。他肯定不是为了钱，他在美国的年薪已经很高。他应该也不是为了名，虽然他已经成为全世界最著名的人士，但是他付出了非常沉重的代价。
80后的“逆袭”
翻阅2013年国际新闻报道，一个人的名字毫无例外地在各种语言媒体的头条中占尽风头——斯诺登。
在过去很长时间的国际风云中，很少有一个草根人物能有如此大的能量，搅动国际政治。斯诺登的爆料，震动的不仅是美国国家情报系统，更有美国盟友体系和真实战略布局。斯诺登今年刚满30岁，他是典型的80后，更是一位典型的理想主义者，甚至理想得想拉最现实主义的普京一起“干革命”。然而，也正是这种一根筋的理想主义，鼓动年轻的斯诺登敢于冒失去祖国、乃至失去生命的危险，独力挑战世界最强大的国家。“念念不忘，必有回响”。斯诺登事件，是去年最震撼人心的一起“80后的逆袭”。
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