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"Dialogue figures"
Li Zhaoxing
Male, 73 years old. Diplomat, served as Foreign Minister and other staff, incumbent President of the China Association of public diplomacy. Known as a civilian diplomat, poet, diplomats said.
I'm atheist, was 20 years younger, is unlikely. If achieved, I think we should go to the motherland needs you the most, and where he could complete the task. Don't ever feel that when the diplomats is to say every day the milieu, drinking wine. Diplomats want to sacrifice for his country.
--If it is 20 years younger, most hope to diplomatic posts? Li Zhaoxing made the above answer
Yesterday, shortly after 3 o'clock in the afternoon, Li Zhaoxing, 73 years old, jogged, walked on stage and behind the scenes of the Central. The former Minister for Foreign Affairs, held in the capital library readers. About a month ago, his new book--published in the untold diplomatic, it is Li's first touching foreign story. The former Foreign Minister about writing? 50 what deep memories of diplomacy. Yesterday, the Beijing news journalists and other media, and engaged in a dialogue with Li Zhaoxing.
When the "writers"
Wrote colleagues, encouraged by foreign subjects
Newspaper: previously, you've published a dozen books. New book is the first of the untold diplomatic foreign subjects. What would you share with our readers?
Li: when I was in school, Peking University, our neighbour, Tsinghua has a slogan, "after college, take care to serve the country health 50", now I have worked for 49 years, and another 6 months to achieve this dream. It's been 50 years, I have been working in the diplomatic field, has long wanted to write something about it, but worry that badly, then younger colleagues encourage me. Three years ago I started writing these stories on and off because I want to share my beliefs and ideals: we have only one homeland, leaving her there's nothing we can do nothing; people are the most important.
A: were talking about dreams, writing is your dream?
Li: a lot when he was young, writing is one of them, come true. Become a teacher there to eat, eat white flour, dumpling. 4 years old for a long time at home for the first time to see the eight route army, drooling Cook soldier looked at me, gave me a steamed bun, it was the first time I can remember eating. This dream was realized.
When you first saw the truck when the driver of the car, the dream later on in Africa. In order to cut costs, diplomatic staff to drive themselves, my coach is a foreign Lady, requirements are very stringent, driving tired hands didn't hold the steering wheel, she was playing into my hands; break didn't even have to put the foot on the brake, kicking my feet. Then I drove excellent.
A: do you have any dreams haven't come true?
Li Zhaoxing: junior high school, I first saw the train, also wanted to be a train driver. This dream was not realized right now, probably didn't get a chance to come true.
Earn royalties is believed to have done a bad thing
A: you wrote in your book, wanted to be a reporter when he was young.
Li: in high school newspapers like the China Youth daily, just want to be a journalist, this dream was realized by half.
I know that post paid, started posting to earn tuition and meals. I get the 10 money paid to the mother for the first time. She was a rural woman, never had a day to school, I do not know what the writer is, think I did a bad thing, and let me tell me.
But I never dreamed a dream that they will be in the foreign service.
A: so, how did you take to diplomatic posts?
Li: when was in the Beijing University graduate in Spanish, graduate student was enrolled in the study of Shakespeare, the exam. Foreign dignitaries, some notions, researcher feel nothing, catastrophe to engage in diplomacy.
Recalls the diplomatic
Told my Secretary asked Japanese diplomats
Reporter: as a diplomat, you used to be representative to the United Nations. United Nations day is like?
Li: the United Nations will be a lot during the day out of night. Meeting relatively free. If you don't want to hear without listening, if you are dissatisfied with the representative can get up and leave.
Many conferences are not leaders must present, if there is no important statement, number two, three handles you can also sit in the first row. I later found out, so that will help team unity, because everybody wants to have the opportunity to sit in the front row.
A: will there be controversy? What controversy?
Li: I'm ready to go to the meeting at UN, who ran third secretaries report said Japan, a young diplomat at the meeting, nonsense, said some large dues low, great power, or is permanent. Japan paid my dues, is not.
I told the young colleagues, which also first reported? You have to fight, get back, asked him who he was talking nonsense. Established by the United Nations after the second world war, on the site was built up in order to oppose the war to defend peace, some countries haven't a correct understanding of historical issues and thinking "promoted" themselves, it is not possible. Later colleague back to questioning Japan diplomats admit to just rude.
"And the Ambassador to the United States mutual"
Xinhua: Sino-US relations are outside the focus of attention. You and United States diplomat contacts do you have any memorable stories?
Li Zhaoxing: China in the United Nations, I and (US Ambassador), Ms Albright had a lot of exposure. She asked me once, you always told me the Chinese Government's position is consistent and clear, and the connotation of Chinese diplomacy () what is it?
I don't know she sells medicine gourd, let her go first. She simply told me that United States foreign policy objectives in two words, leadership and partnerships.
She was really friendly, although the 1th we cannot agree with the, and contrary to the Charter of the United Nations, but it is the truth. I told her that China's foreign policy are two words, peace and independence, she may not approve, but also think it's the truth. Each of us "flattery" and back to the meeting.
Reporter: diplomacy may not all be in front of the scenery. There will be bitterness or even dangerous?
Li Zhaoxing: on my Foreign Minister, Fujian 8 people at a time in Iraq were kidnapped and needed someone to rescue. My old classmates, former Iraq Ambassador Sun Bigan called, introduced after what I told him, "this task might be in danger, and want you to be prepared for," he said without waiting for me to finish, "although I was more than 60 years old, but as long as the motherland and the people need, I would immediately set out."
When the party, I asked who wanted to go, Director of the Department of West Asian and North African Affairs Zhai are excited to stand up and think I'm extra asking him, don't trust him, "is there any discussion? This is my field of work, I'll go. "Then I let him pick his own members of the rescue team, catch the earliest flight the next day to Iraq, then a tearful farewell. They wore bullet-proof vests, rescued 8 people.
Reporter: after stepping down from your Foreign Minister, retirement plan?
Li Zhaoxing: tell me a story. Not long ago I went to Georgia, locals proudly told me, they created a world record, a local rural women live for 132 years and 91 days. At the time she was 130 years old, a reporter asked the secret of her longevity, she replied: firstly, family harmony, followed by manual labor is often do some capabilities; third, and kids learn.
A: a lot of people say you're a poet, diplomat, do you agree? No common ground between the two?
Li: the two have in common is patriotic, countries do not have feelings, is to write good poetry, as unpatriotic, and diplomacy is a bad idea.
Tips
When diplomats look at two books
Friends wish to engage in diplomacy, I think both books should be read: the first was the People's Republic of China Constitution, which have clearly defined China's foreign policy and the other one is the Charter of the United Nations, the United Nations has no right to interfere in the internal affairs of Member States.
--Diplomat Li Zhaoxing on how to do
Little stories
Foreign Minister not printing
On one occasion, (American Ambassador) recommends Wu-Chang, Ambassador Albright had learned to use the computer, slap their texts on the computer. United Kingdom Ambassador said he was too old, don't want to learn. Russia Ambassador that his Secretary, didn't have to learn. France Ambassador broad hobby, he said, had time to play polo, don't have time to learn. My last statement: "promoting democracy, I must obey the majority. "Albright that good proposals failed to pass, I still have not learned computers.
Taken from the new book, said Li Zhaoxing of endless diplomacy
The Beijing News reporter Jia Peng
(Original title: Li Zhaoxing: half finished the book reporter dreams)
【对话人物】
李肇星
男，73岁。外交官，曾任外交部部长等职，现任中国公共外交协会会长。素有平民外交家，诗人外交家之称。
我是无神论者，年轻20岁不大可能了。如果真实现，我觉得应该去祖国最需要你，而又能完成任务的地方。千万不要觉得当外交官就是每天说洋文，喝红酒。外交官要为祖国不怕牺牲。
——假如年轻20岁，最希望去什么外交岗位？李肇星做出上述回答
昨日，下午3时许，73岁的李肇星，近乎小跑着，从幕后走上讲台中央。这位前任外交部长，在首都图书馆举行读者见面会。大约一个月前，他的新书——《说不尽的外交》出版发行，这是李肇星首次触及外交题材。这位前任外长如何看待写作？50年的外交工作有哪些深刻的记忆。昨日，新京报记者和其他媒体一起，与李肇星进行了对话。
当“作家”
同事鼓励下写外交题材
新京报：此前，你已经出版了十几本书。但新书《说不尽的外交》却是首次涉及外交题材。你希望与读者分享什么？
李肇星：我在北京大学读书的时候，我们的邻居清华有一句口号，“大学毕业后，要健康地为祖国劳动50年”，如今我已经工作了49年多了，再过6个月就能实现这个梦想。这50年来，我一直在外交领域工作，早就想写点什么了，但又担心把握不好，后来年轻同事们鼓励了我。三年前我开始断断续续写这些外交故事，是想分享我的信念与理想：我们只有一个祖国，离开她我们什么也干不成；人民是最重要的。
新京报：刚才说到梦想，写作也是你的梦想吗？
李肇星：年轻时有很多，写作是其中一个，实现了。小时候的梦想还有吃饱饭，有白面、饺子吃。4岁多时在老家第一次看到八路军，做饭的战士看我流口水，给了我一个白面馒头，那是我记事起第一次吃到。这个梦想后来也实现了。
第一次看到卡车时想当汽车司机，这个梦想后来在非洲实现了。当时为了节省成本，驻外工作人员要会自己开，我的教练是外国女士，要求非常严，开累了双手没扶稳方向盘，她就朝我手上打；休息时脚没放在刹车上，也会踢我一脚。后来我开车特别优秀。
新京报：你有什么梦想还没实现的吗？
李肇星：上初中，我第一次看到火车，也想当火车司机。这个梦想到现在没实现，估计也没机会实现了。
挣稿费被认为干了坏事
新京报：你在新书里写过，年轻时还想当记者。
李肇星：上中学时读报，当时喜欢《中国青年报》，就想当记者，这个梦想算是实现了一半。
我知道发表文章有稿费，开始投稿想挣点学费和伙食费。我第一次拿到10块钱稿费给了母亲。她是一名农村妇女，没上过一天学，不知道稿费是什么东西，以为我干了坏事，还让我老实交代。
不过我做梦也没梦到自己以后会从事外交工作。
新京报：那你当初是如何走上外交岗位的？
李肇星：当时在北大西语系毕业时，本来报考了研究莎士比亚的研究生，考得还可以。外交部又在要人，当时受到一些观念影响，觉得读研究生没什么劲，就稀里糊涂地从事了外交工作。
忆外交
曾让秘书质问日外交官
记者：作为外交官，你曾是驻联合国代表。联合国日常工作是什么样的？
李肇星：联合国的会很多，白天开完晚上开。但那里开会相对自由。如果你不想听可以不听，如果你对代表发言不满可以起身离开。
很多会议也并非一把手必须到场，如果没有重要发言，二把手、三把手也可以坐到第一排。后来我发现，这样有利于班子团结，因为大家都想有机会坐到第一排。
新京报：是否会有争论？争论些什么？
李肇星：一次我在联合国大厦里准备去开会，一位三秘跑过来报告，说日本一名年轻外交官在会上胡说八道，称有的大国交会费很少，权力很大，还是常任理事国。日本交会费多，却不是。
我和这位年轻同事说，这也要先报告？你要先斗争，赶快跑回去，问他是谁让他胡说八道的。联合国建立在二战后的废墟上，是为了反对战争保卫和平建立起来的，有的国家对历史问题还没正确认识就想“提拔”自己，不可能。后来这位同事回去质问日本外交官，对方才承认无理。
“和美大使互相吹捧”
记者：中美关系也是外界关注的焦点。你和美国外交官接触中有什么难忘的故事吗？
李肇星：驻联合国时，我与(美大使)奥尔布赖特女士有过很多接触。一次她问我，你们老说中国政府的立场是一贯的、明确的，中国外交的内涵(到底)是什么？
我不知道她葫芦里卖的什么药，就让她先说。她很干脆地告诉我，美国的外交目标就两个词，领导权和伙伴关系。
她确实够朋友，虽然第一点是我们不能同意的，也违背了联合国宪章，却是实话。我告诉她中国的外交政策也是两个词，和平和独立自主，她听了未必赞成但也觉得是实话。我们两个人互相“吹捧”一番，又回去开会。
记者：外交工作未必都是台前的风光。会有辛酸甚至危险吗？
李肇星：在我外长任上，有一次8名福建人在伊拉克被绑架，需要找人去营救。我当时给老同学、前驻伊拉克大使孙必干打电话，介绍了事情之后我告诉他，“这个任务可能有危险，希望你有思想准备”，他没等我说完就说，“虽然我60多岁了，但只要祖国和人民需要，我愿意立即出发”。
当晚会上，我问谁愿意去，亚非司司长翟隽很激动地站起来，他认为我问是多余的，是不信任他：“这还要讨论吗？这是我的工作领域，我去。”我后来让他自己挑选营救小组成员，赶第二天最早的一班飞机去伊拉克，随后我们含泪告别。后来他们穿着防弹背心，成功救出了8名同胞。
记者：从外长任上退下来后，退休生活如何打算？
李肇星：我讲个故事。不久前我去格鲁吉亚，当地人非常自豪地告诉我，他们创造了一项世界纪录，当地一名农村妇女活了132岁零91天。在她130岁时，有记者问她长寿的秘诀，她回答：首先是家庭和睦，其次是经常做一些力所能及的体力劳动；第三是和孩子一块学习。
新京报：很多人说你是诗人外交家，你认同吗？两者之间会有什么共同点？
李肇星：两者共同点应该是爱国，对国家没有感情，是写不出好的诗歌的，同样如果不爱国，外交工作也做不好。
■ 小贴士
当外交官看两本书
想从事外交工作的朋友，我觉得两本书应该看：第一本是《中华人民共和国宪法》，里面对中国的外交政策有明确的规定，另一本是《联合国宪章》，联合国也没有权利干涉成员国的内政。
——李肇星谈如何做外交官
■ 小故事
外长不会电脑打字
有一次，(美大使)奥尔布赖特建议五常大使都学用电脑，在电脑上打自己的发言稿。但英国大使说他年纪太大，不想学。俄罗斯大使说，他有秘书，不用学。法国大使爱好广泛，他表示，有空得打马球，没时间学。我最后发言：“就发扬民主吧，我服从多数。”奥尔布赖特那么好的一个建议没能通过，我至今没有学会电脑打字。
摘自李肇星新书《说不尽的外交》
新京报记者 贾鹏
(原标题：李肇星：出书完成了一半记者梦想)
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