SASAC Vice Director: need fault-tolerance mechanism of State-owned enterprises _ | | fault-tolerant mechanism of State-owned enterprises news
CPPCC National Committee member Huang Shu and. Xinhua News Agency

Original title: CPPCC, SASAC Vice Director Huang Shu Nan and an interview:

Reorganization and integration to steadily push forward the reform of State-owned enterprises to establish a fault-tolerance mechanism

"To be considered according to the development of actual reorganization and integration, trying to be '1+1>2', not '1+1<1'", on the CPPCC, members of CPPCC, SASAC Vice Director Huang Shu South and an interview said, State-owned enterprise reorganization and integration should be considered carefully, push, do not set targets, according to three "benefits" principle, practice determined.

Huang Shuhe said reform of State-owned enterprises has entered the Sham Shui Po District, in the reform process needs to be bold in exploration and practice to build fault tolerance mechanisms to encourage reform, reform did not burden, dare to explore.

South: the current mixed-ownership reforms, private worry that entered the capital after an unsafe? Can we say?

Huang Shu and: private enterprise has this fear is normal. State-owned enterprises also have such concerns, worried that after State-owned capital into private equity, capital is safe, it can have a say, cooperation is good. These concerns, each have their own reason. In modified process, therefore, must pay special attention to the perfection of corporate governance and efforts to eliminate such fears and concerns. As long as you put the capital should have a share of voice is made. While attention and perfection of property right system and strengthening the protection of property rights. Whether it is State-owned or private, to protect their property rights.

South: on the specific mechanisms, and what safeguards are needed?

Huang Shu and: the most important rule is clearly written in the articles. State-owned and private enterprises, as well as other forms of social capital, and made after the mixed ownership, the most important thing is to make good articles. Articles are actually a company's "Constitution." After mixed-ownership enterprises, first of all in the articles of incorporation must be clear, in accordance with their respective equity achieved the right to speak, the minor operation procedures provided, defining their property rights are effectively protected.

South: when you talk about reform of State-owned enterprises to build fault-tolerant mechanism, this mechanism is how to implement?

Huang Shu: the reform of State-owned enterprises, many have entered the Sham Shui Po District. Encountered a lot of problems now, are very strong, supporting a strong, systematic strong reforms. These reforms are to make substantive breakthroughs, we need bold exploration and practice. In the course of practice and exploration, many places are likely to be successful, but some of them might fail. Success encouraged, failure to have fault-tolerant mechanism, so as to make no reform burden, dare to try and practice.

For more than 30 years of China's reform is to succeed, is to encourage everyone to be pioneers, boldly the first bite of crab, for reform to create a favorable external conditions and provides a good social atmosphere.

South: you experience since the third plenary session of reform, exploration of the current state-owned enterprise reform differ?

Huang Shu and started reforms, mostly grass-roots exploration, following a breakthrough and to gain practical experience, and to promote the reform of the above. Now many want to do top-design, comprehensive, to advance the reform of the following.

South: the "capacity" in the course of, and for local governments, should make good use of market instruments?

Huang Shu and: capacity is associated with adjusting the industrial structure, promoting transformation and upgrading. If at all there is no excess capacity, less competition in the market. Supply what competition? But overcapacity also has two, one is backward must be eliminated capacity, is a relatively good capacity, technology is not backward. Capacity means first of all depends on the market, to give full play to the market. If the market is in short supply, high demand, the Government wants to capacity to go anywhere. The second Government policy guidance role to play. While clearly, enterprises are subject to the capacity. In addition, combining to productivity and innovation. By eliminating backward production capacity and innovation, make our products to high-end, so our next sustainable development can be achieved.

South: in terms of capacity, State-owned enterprises and private enterprises have any different?

Huang Shu and: nothing different, all the same, are businesses. The process is identical to the capacity. Of course, the State-owned enterprises in terms of capacity may be more onerous task, because most State-owned enterprises in traditional industry and chemical industry.

South: guidance last year launched a State-owned enterprise reform, you will accelerate the process of reorganization and integration of the State-owned enterprises?

Huang Shu and: reorganization and integration is based on the needs of enterprise development, not to set a target. How is it possible to set a target then? Reorganization and integration based on three considerations: first, whether it helps improve the industrial chain and, secondly, whether it helps businesses grow; and, third, whether it brings about optimal allocation of State resources. Pursuant to this section to take into account the reorganization and integration of the enterprise. Specific companies with which other corporate restructuring, mainly according to the actual development to be taken into account. No matter which enterprise reorganization and integration are three principles to which, try "1+1>2", not "1+1<1".

South: what 1+1<1?

Huang Shu and: less than 1 may, reorganization and integration of the State-owned enterprises must be carefully and steadily. Carefully designed programmes, consider supporting measures and steadily promote and implement. Some enterprise reorganization and integration fix, also dragged down the enterprise. Business enterprise law, economic economic laws, cannot violate these laws, and all have to be realistic.

Interview: the South reporter Huang Yi Liang Xiaochan intern Liang Jiaqian Wang Yidi Deng Jingjing

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国资委原副主任：国企改革需要容错机制|国企改革|容错机制_新闻资讯
全国政协委员黄淑和。新华社发

　　原标题：全国政协委员、国资委原副主任黄淑和接受南都专访：

　　国企重组整合要稳妥推进 改革探索要建立容错机制

　　“要根据企业的发展实际来考虑重组整合，努力做到‘1+1>2’，不要‘1+1<1’”，在全国两会上，全国政协委员、国资委 原副主任黄淑和接受南都专访说，国企重组整合要慎重考虑，稳妥推进，不要设指标，而要根据三个“有利于”的原则，结合实际确定。

　　黄淑和还谈到，当前国企改革已进入深水区，在改革过程中需要大胆地开拓和实践，要建立容错机制鼓励改革，让改革者没有包袱，敢于探索。

　　南都：当前推进混合所有制改革，有民企担心，进入后资金安不安全？能不能有话语权？

　　黄 淑和：民企有这种担心很正常。国有企业也有这方面的担心，担心国有资本到民企参股后，资本是否安全，能不能有话语权，合作得好不好。这些担心，各有各的道 理。因此在混改过程中，一定要抓好公司治理结构的完善，努力消除这些担心和顾虑。只要投入了资本金，就要取得应有股权的相应话语权。同时要抓好产权制度的 完善，加强对各类产权的保护。不管是国资还是民资，都要保护好他们的产权。

　　南都：具体机制上，需要哪些保障？

　　黄 淑和：最重要的一条是公司章程里要写清楚。国有企业和民营企业以及其他社会资本，搞成混合所有制以后，最重要是要订好公司章程。公司章程实际是一个企业的 “宪法”。搞成混合所有制企业之后，首先在公司章程里要明确，如何按照各自股权取得话语权，其次要规定运转程序，明确各自产权如何得到有效的保护等。

　　南都：你谈到国企改革要建立容错的机制，这种机制是怎么推行的？

　　黄 淑和：国有企业的改革，很多已经进入深水区。现在碰到的很多问题，都是综合性很强、配套性很强、系统性很强的改革。这些改革要想取得实质性的突破，就需要 大胆地实践与探索。在实践与探索的过程中，很多地方也有可能成功，但也有一些地方可能会失败。成功的要鼓励，失败的也要有容错机制，这样才能使大家没有改 革包袱，敢于去尝试和实践。

　　三十多年来我国改革之所以能成功，就是鼓励大家敢为人先，大胆地吃第一口螃蟹，为改革创造了一个良好的外部条件和提供了一个良好的社会氛围。

　　南都：你经历了十一届三中全会以来的改革，当前的国企改革的探索有何不同？

　　黄淑和：刚开始的改革，大多都是基层探索，下面取得突破并取得实践经验后，再去推动上面的改革。现在的改革很多要搞顶层设计，要综合配套，去推进下面的改革。

　　南都：在“去产能”的过程中，对地方政府来说，应该如何用好市场手段？

　　黄 淑和：去产能与调整产业结构、推进转型升级是相关的。产能如果一点都没有过剩，谈不上市场竞争。供不应求怎么竞争？但是过剩的产能也有两种，一种是落后的 必须淘汰的产能，一种是比较还不错的产能，技术并不一定落后。去产能首先要靠市场化的手段，要充分发挥市场的作用。如果市场上供不应求，需求很大，政府想 去产能也去不了的。第二要发挥政府的政策引导作用。同时要明确，企业才是去产能的实施主体。此外，去产能还要和创新结合起来。要通过去掉落后产能和创新驱 动，使我国产品走向中高端，这样我国下一步可持续发展才能得以实现。

　　南都：在去产能方面，国企和民企有什么不同呢？

　　黄淑和：没有什么不同，都是一样的，都是企业。去产能的过程都是一模一样的。当然，国企在去产能上可能任务更为繁重，因为国企大多在传统行业和重化工产业。

　　南都：去年出台了国企改革的指导意见，接下来会不会加快国企重组整合的进程？

　　黄 淑和：重组整合主要是根据企业发展的需要，没有订立指标的。怎么可能订立指标呢？重组整合主要依据三条来考虑：第一，是否有利于完善产业链；第二，是否有 利于企业做强做大；第三，是否有利于国有资源优化配置。要依据这三条来考虑企业的重组整合。具体是哪个企业跟哪个企业重组，主要是根据企业的发展实际来加 以考虑。不管是哪个企业的重组整合，都要把握好这三条原则，努力做到“1+1>2”，不要“1+1<1”。

　　南都：什么情况下1+1<1？

　　黄淑和：小于1也有可能的，因此国有企业的重组整合一定要慎重稳妥。要精心设计，做好方案，考虑好配套措施，稳步地推进和实施。有些企业重组整合弄不好，还拖累了好企业。企业有企业的规律，经济有经济的规律，不能违反了这些规律，一切都还要实事求是。

　　采写：南都记者 黄怡 梁小婵 实习生 梁嘉倩 王旖荻 邓晶晶

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