Grand, Tudou, why trade quicker Inc Monrovia net decline in Shanghai, Zhang Xuhao tells the truth-Shanghai-IT information

Recently, the hungry founder Zhang Xuhao in house training in a speech referred to " Shanghai people are too easy, not even great companies ." Because of this word, cause someone wrote called on Shanghai people to boycott hungry.

Zhang Xuhao's intentions should not criticize Shanghai, Shanghai not great companies should also be mentioned refers to on the Internet. Zhang Xuhao criticism is designed to bring out the following words: "(hungry) at least to become a benchmark business in Shanghai and become one of the most important focus".

In fact, Zhang Xuhao's criticism of Shanghai, in the Internet world are used. If there are mysteries in the history of the Internet in China, then Why can't the Internet giant in Shanghai is one , the mysteries of related questions include: why Internet business atmosphere in Shanghai? Why Shanghai Internet companies always don't peer mergers?

In response to the poor network development in Shanghai before this mystery, to look back at history of Shanghai Internet predecessors failed. In fact, Shanghai's powerful Internet companies are not less, you can say a lot: Yi Tang, eBay, Shanda, Tudou, public comments, people NET, trade quicker Inc Monrovia, shop networks, ctrip, 1th . The four waves of the Internet development in China: Internet (Portal), entertainment, games, Internet, e-commerce, O2O and Internet +, Shanghai were originally caught.

Age of first wave of Chinese Internet portals, Sina, NetEase, Sohu is now the winner, loser most unfortunately, Tang Yi, Shanghai. Billion down this portal, based in Shanghai, has the luxury of founding team (all United States school), much higher than Sina, NetEase, Sohu's financing (US $ 50 million, is an astronomical figure in 1999), has great vision (for young people with a variety of online and offline lives, the doors to the middle class).

▲ Failed millions of Tang dynasty

However, Yi Tang quickly failed, summing up, luxury business, crazy money, reckless expansion as the reason. "Millions of Tang is a good company, but after the first wave of Internet, never grasp the opportunity. "Qi Xiangdong said of Yi Tang, President of qihoo 360 networks.

Second tide of entertainment games, Shanghai has emerged with two great companies: Grand and potatoes. Grand scenery, 2004 in after NASDAQ-listed Shanda founder Chen Tianqiao was promoted to China's richest man, in 2005 Chen became the largest shareholder of Sina, era of Shanghai's portal defeat revenge becomes worthy of the Internet giant. But today, 10 years later, Shanda games is still struggling, but almost all other areas to rout, has long been removed from the giant group.

? Chen Grand

Tudou was one of the earliest imitates YouTube online video site, earlier than its rival youku was founded, prior to youku listing application. Founder, Wang was a literary man, like romantic, listed in a divorce case before ' disputed, listing dream lives ruined potatoes, youku, seize the opportunity to first listing second are doomed to end.

Third wave of e-commerce, Shanghai is not absent. In China, the C2C open the popularization of e-commerce, and earlier than Taobao C2C site is eBay based in Shanghai. This is a template on the eBay Web site, from a technical system to the trading rules with little regard for the actual conditions of China, took eBay Money 2002, 2003 was wholly owned by eBay, when Taobao was founded on the large block. Later on, so that everyone knows that Shanghai eBay Taobao successful counter attack.

? EBay being bought by eBay

Fourth wave O2O and Internet +, Shanghai got up early, drove a late set. Was founded in 2003 by public comment is one of the earliest service platforms, network was founded in 2005 by the people is also one of the earliest Classifieds site, common features of these two sites is arts and slow. Headquartered in Beijing, after the United States and 58 city is typical of Wolf game, give employees chicken blood, more aggressive and fast. Tang and billion different from the rapid expansion of the luxury, beauty and 58 with the rapid expansion of the city is hard. A result, beautiful round public comment merge, the mass comment founder Zhang Tao out of sadness and baixingwang still hold, but the scale and imagination has completely and 58 is not an order of magnitude in the same city.

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Except above mentioned of several company, headquarters in Shanghai of trade quicker Inc Monrovia network first was Tencent acquisition, last was package to has Beijing East; headquarters in Shanghai of ctrip Qian soon annexation has to where, but eventually was Baidu white became has first big shareholders; headquarters in Shanghai, and domestic first of business super class electric business 1th, shop equity times transfer, last founder out, Qian soon 1th, shop was Wal-Mart sold Beijing East; Shanghai local of fast money and housing guest respectively was million up and 58 with city acquisition...... Such cases are numerous.

Shanghai has led to a wave of wave of Internet development, but in the end again and again have failed, has not been born in real, sustainable Internet giant; many people expressing their opinions, summed up in the following areas:

Internet practitioners little giant model is missing , many local Internet practitioners do bad Internet in Shanghai is due to this reason. However, this interpretation is typical of "first, the chicken or the egg" question, cannot testify. BAT located in Beijing, Hangzhou, Shenzhen and not many Internet practitioners from the outset, the first is not a giant. Of course, when the BAT after it becomes a giant, does the local atmosphere of the Internet has a very big role, while the lack of pride in Internet companies in Shanghai, the industry will be subject to certain restrictions in attracting talent.

Shanghai lacks fighting spirit, seeking quality of life, and many investors agreed with the reasons of the foreign business in Shanghai. Petty bourgeoisie in Shanghai and comprador culture, Shanghai native choosing the first option is to enter foreign-funded enterprises, time to work, enjoying life at the weekend. Internet company's fast-paced, high intensity work, from infrastructure to be resisted. And Shanghai is a big melting pot, foreigners in Shanghai, can easily be assimilated into this lifestyle, "floating" always lacked fighting spirit similar to the Beijing North drift. Youth employment is not the preferred Internet, a lot of Internet entrepreneurs in Shanghai more than 30 years of age, lack of Rubicon's spirit and the spirit of the midnight oil hard.

Higher start-up costs in Shanghai, one of the reasons this is considered. Shanghai's per capita wage, startups need to pay a higher price to find people, and Shanghai people care more about the immediate interests will not for the foreseeable future option to liquidate and lower wage demands. In addition, rent, rent for the Office in Shanghai are not cheap. For the same cost, in Beijing, Hangzhou, Shenzhen can find talent more suitable for Internet start-ups. From a talent standpoint, has no shortage of financial talents in Shanghai, but Beijing technical talent is not much.

Lack of Government support and guidance, lack of business media, which is one reason the parties recognized. Landlocked cities like Chengdu, and introduced the policy support to the Internet compared to Shanghai as a financial centre, occupying the position of the mouth of the Changjiang River is the import and export of gathering, make money easy, natural conditions are very good, Shanghai is no need to deliberately supporting the Internet, annual revenues were pretty.

In addition, Shanghai business media is missing, too many entrepreneurs do not have access to local concerns, also suffer somewhat in the valuation and financing. Meanwhile, lack of media set up the stage, local Internet peers behind won't be easy. In this ad, millions in Europe since the end of August 2015 entered Shanghai, by routine offline activities, to boost Shanghai's atmosphere made a lot of contributions on the Internet.

Of course, Shanghai's Internet is not useless, even if public comments, and the United States have merged, but rooted in the quality of life in Shanghai area O2O + and Internet companies are still many, many of which have national influence, such as hungry, Lu Jin, box horses, u dispensers, Thai flute, wheel, the way Tiger and transported full.

上海盛大、土豆网、易迅网为何衰落，张旭豪道出真相 - 上海 - IT资讯

近日，饿了么创始人张旭豪在内部培训的一次讲话中提到“上海人太安逸了，一直出不了伟大公司”。因为这句话，引发了有人撰文号召上海人抵制饿了么。

张旭豪的本意应该不是批评上海，提及上海出不了伟大公司也应该指的是在互联网领域。张旭豪批评的目的是为了带出下面的话：“我们（饿了么）至少先要在上海成为一家标杆性的企业，成为人才最重要的一个集中地”。

其实，张旭豪提出的这个对上海的批评，在互联网圈都习以为常。如果说中国互联网发展史还有未解之谜，那么上海为何出现不了互联网巨头便是其中一个，这个未解之谜连带的疑问还包括：上海为何没有互联网创业氛围？上海的互联网公司为何总是被别地的同行兼并？

在回答上海联网发展不佳这个未解之谜前，先来回顾一下上海互联网前辈们的失败史。实际上，上海出现的牛逼互联网公司并不少，随便就能说出一堆：亿唐、易趣、盛大、土豆网、大众点评、百姓网、易迅网、携程旅行网、1号店。中国互联网发展的四波浪潮：信息互联网（门户）、娱乐游戏互联网、电子商务、O2O和互联网+，上海最初都抓住了。

中国互联网第一波的门户时代，现在看新浪、网易、搜狐是胜利者，失败者中最可惜的是上海的亿唐。亿唐这家总部在上海的门户，有豪华的创始团队（清一色美国名校毕业），有远高于新浪、网易、搜狐的融资额（5000万美元，在1999年时是天文数字），有远大的愿景（为年轻人提供各种网上服务和网下的生活用品，成为通往中产阶级之门）。

▲失败的亿唐

但是，亿唐迅速失败了，事后总结，奢侈创业、疯狂烧钱、盲目扩张成为了其中的原因。“亿唐本身是个不错的公司，只是在第一轮互联网浪潮后，一直没把握好机会。”奇虎360总裁齐向东这样评价亿唐网。

第二波的娱乐游戏大潮，上海又出现了两家牛逼的公司：盛大和土豆。盛大风光时，2004年盛大网络在纳斯达克上市后其创始人陈天桥晋升中国首富，2005年陈天桥成为了新浪最大的股东，报了上海在门户时代惨败之仇，成为当之无愧的互联网巨头。但十年后的今天，盛大除了游戏还在勉强支撑外，其它领域几乎全部溃败，早已从巨头群里被移除。

▲陈天桥的盛大

而土豆网是国内最早模仿YouTube的在线视频网站，早于其竞争对手优酷成立、也早于优酷提交上市申请。创始人王微是个文艺男，喜欢风花雪月，上市前陷入离婚案引发股权争议，生生葬送了土豆的上市梦，被优酷抓住机会抢先上市后注定了老二的结局。

第三波的电商浪潮，上海也并没有缺席。在中国，C2C开启了电商大众化，而比淘宝网更早的C2C网站是总部在上海的易趣网。这是一家以eBay为模板的网站，从技术系统到交易规则几乎不考虑中国的实际国情，2002年拿了eBay的钱，2003年被eBay全资控股，当淘宝网成立后对其进行过大规模封杀。后来，结果大家都知道，上海的易趣被淘宝网成功逆袭。

▲易趣被eBay收购

第四波的O2O和互联网+，上海起了个大早，赶了个晚集。成立于2003年的大众点评是国内最早的生活服务平台，成立于2005年的百姓网也是最早的分类信息网站，这两个网站的共同特点是文艺和慢。总部在北京、后起的美团和58同城是典型的狼性打法，给员工打鸡血，更加大胆和快速。和亿唐的奢侈型快速扩张不同，美团和58同城都是艰苦型快速扩张。结果是，美团大众点评合并，大众点评创始人张涛悲情出局；而百姓网依然坚守，但规模和想象空间已经完全和58同城不在一个量级。

▲大众点评张涛挥泪出局

除了上述提及的几家公司，总部在上海的易迅网先是被腾讯收购，最后被打包给了京东；总部在上海的携程网前不久吞并了去哪儿，但最终被百度入主成为了第一大股东；总部在上海、国内最早的商超类电商1号店股权多次转让，最后创始人出局，前不久1号店被沃尔玛卖给京东；上海本土的快钱和安居客分别被万达和58同城收购……这样的案例数不胜数。

上海引领了一波波互联网发展浪潮，但最终一次次无功而返，始终没有诞生真正的、持续性的互联网巨头；很多人表达了自己的看法，总结起来主要有以下几个方面：

互联网从业者少、缺少巨头做榜样，很多上海本地的互联网从业者把上海做不好互联网归咎于这个原因。但这个解释是典型的“先有鸡还是先有蛋”的问题，无法自证。BAT所在的北京、杭州、深圳也并不是一开始就有大量互联网从业者，最开始也并不是巨头。当然，当BAT成为巨头后，确实对带动当地的互联网氛围有非常大的作用，而上海缺少引以为傲的互联网公司，整个行业在吸引人才方面都会受到一定限制。

上海缺少拼搏精神，过于追求生活品质，很多投资人和外地在沪创业的人认同这个理由。上海的小资文化和买办文化，上海本地人择业第一选择是进入外资企业，按时上下班，周末享受生活。互联网公司的快节奏、高强度工作，从底子里是被抵制的。而上海又是个大熔炉，外地人进入上海，很容易被这种工作生活方式所同化，“上漂”始终缺少类似北京北漂的拼搏精神。年轻人择业不首选互联网，大量上海的互联网创业者年龄超过30岁，缺少破釜沉舟的气概和焚膏继晷的吃苦精神。

上海的创业成本高，这是大家公认的一个原因。上海的人均工资高，创业公司需要付出较高的代价才能找到人，而且上海人更看重眼前利益，不会为了遥遥无期的期权变现而放低工资要求。另外，上海的房租、办公室租金也都不菲。以同样的成本，在北京、杭州、深圳能找到更加适合互联网创业公司的人才。从人才的角度看，上海并不缺金融类的人才，但相比北京技术型人才也并不多。

缺少政府扶持和引导，缺少创业媒体，这也是各方公认的一个原因。和成都这样的内陆城市出台各项扶持互联网的政策相比，上海是金融中心，占据长江入海口的有利位置、是进出口的汇聚地，赚钱容易，自然条件也非常好，上海没有必要刻意扶持互联网，每年的财政收入都不愁。

另外，上海缺少创业媒体，本地的创业者得不到太多关注，在估值融资上也多少吃亏。同时，缺少媒体的搭台，本地的互联网同行要聚拢起来并不容易。在这打一个广告，亿欧自2015年8月底进驻上海后，通过常规性的线下活动，为助推上海的互联网氛围做了不少贡献。

当然，上海的互联网并不是一无是处，即便大众点评和美团合并了，但根植于上海地区品质生活的O2O和互联网+公司依然很多，其中有不少有全国影响力，如饿了么、陆金所、盒马、U掌柜、泰笛、车轮、途虎、运满满等。