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The author:(作者)aaapublished in(发表于) 2013/12/22 18:51:05 Cui yongyuan about investigating GM： 500，000 to the United States at their own expense documentary
"Dialogue figures"
Like former famous CCTV host
"Dialog causes"
Famous host Cui yongyuan a lot of focus recently. On December 20, from the United States held back like the media to explain the widespread public concern, "CCTV-service", "investigation of genetically modified products to the United States", "struggle with Fang's microblog" answers on issues such as the presence of a number of media questions.
20th or so, from the airport to the Conference site like lifted his Chinese passport for the cameras, joked was finally able to explain he did not join the United States nationals.
Subsequently, like enough to admit it, and Fang controversy about genetically modified on Twitter, is to accelerate their reasons leaving the CCTV.
500,000 at his own expense he travelled to Japan and the United States to investigate the safety of transgenic products and preparing to shoot the footage released information obtained and made into a documentary.
Like said, he had on December 7 officially join the communication University of China, has completed this year's oral history program. And for new jobs, said Cui yongyuan teaches far more pressure than be the host. Beijing News reporter Wang Lei Zhu Liudi interns reporting from Beijing
Separation of CCTV
I have the "bandits"
A: you as Fang was concerned about genetically modified?
Like: the Fang. Because I am a liberal arts student, I do not know this thing started.
A: why Twitter that argument?
Like: I read the news on the Internet, Fang had a try to eat genetically modified foods, said creating the conditions which allow people to eat genetically modified. As soon as I heard this disgusted, because I'm from the "cultural revolution", then annoying saying had to do.
A: just disgusted?
Like: just disgusted. I started quite mild, I say the public can eat, could not eat. But Fang's rally is very ill and I was alert. So I check the Internet, found that the issue has been argued for a long time, I can't read a word of it. I know it's something big, he began to study, both scholars for advice.
Some academicians say there is no controversy, it evoked in me a strong sense of disgust. Controversial, what isn't disputed is it? You say Americans are safe to eat (genetically modified foods) for nearly 20 years nothing, then we will go to the United States to visit, you say?
A: separation and argued with her party related?
Like: I can't talk to him (fang), CCTV provision, no such content on Twitter, this prompted me to leave much of a reason. I want to talk to fang, is absolutely contrary to the provisions of CCTV, not resigning, nor let me go, so I just quit him. Saw this situation pretty much, from top to bottom are criticizing me, so really speed up my departure.
What means I use what means you use, you said I lied, I'll dig you fake; you curse, I swear. Like rogue, protection of these (and Fang debate) scientist.
Reporter: this is the main reason you left?
Like: he whipped on Twitter, I said. My integrity in one's later years are not insured, I don't have a good image. The public image is not used, I think that public safety is more important. I can't used to be a member of the people's political consultative conference, a national famous host-side, I was bad, it wasn't me. If you think I'm a very good image, that you are wrong, I have a "bandits".
Reporter: you said in Twitter, says Fang CCTV lawsuit?
Like: useless, CCTV, I know, I worked here since 1993, and in 1996, ESPN, to leave today, I haven't got an enemy, all people are nice to me, and he didn't use it.
Investigation of genetically modified
Refuse to sponsor, at their own expense, 500,000
Newspaper: investigation on so genetically modified?
Cui yongyuan, (GM) not microblogging can clear things are complex, so I decided to shoot a documentary film for everyone to describe clearly. We ask the United States interview team, December 7, 20th, come back, interviewed all kinds of people.
A: contact with who?
Cui yongyuan: including experts and ordinary people, some civil society organizations, about 50 people, went to Los Angeles, Chicago and Seattle. We found the Ark's teacher, Professor Schubert, he says you can't eat genetically modified soybeans, feed and industrial raw materials. We told him that China make genetically modified soybeans into soybean oil.
Reporter: do you think the current genetically modified, only limited laboratory, not to promote large-scale use?
Like: I think it should be three-step, the first laboratory research is solid, clear, the second is a test bed trial, step three is the commercial planting, these three steps can be quite long, and take decades to complete.
A: this research, what conclusions did you come?
Like: I think the safety of genetically modified foods, scientists are controversial. In this context, we, the ordinary people, don't understand this thing, it'd be better if I eat or I have a right to choose, you can eat, you can not eat, I cannot be denied their right to choose.
This is me in the end point of the debate on GM foods, because I can't stop you import, cultivation, my suggestion is that set genetically modified food counters at the Mall, the remaining product guarantee does not contain genetically modified, who wants to eat who.
Reporter: United States the cost of the investigation where they came from?
Like: are all at their own expense. I refused all corporate sponsorship, to fair and impartial.
A: how much money is spent?
Like: more than 500,000.
A: what time this documentary, in which platform?
Like: the sooner the better right now have too much material, perhaps 40 hours. When planting, select what platform I haven't wanted to. When I went out to investigate, just think these things are important, and you get it, get it done, platform, platform still worry you?
Debate on Twitter
You can't use the "cultural revolution" means
Do you told Fang microblogging controversy really fierce?
Cui yongyuan: microblog of Fang and I, we all watched, fight harder and constituted, bottom line.
Newspaper: carry, your other boats have very strong emotions.
Like: it's not emotional, I think he has a mild upset the Chinese scientific discussion environment. We sit down face to face to discuss and debate, no problem, this is in the context of science. But can not engage in "great cultural revolution" means.
Reporter: fang says your documentary to promote organic food, what do you think?
Cui yongyuan: say I took the money, take out the evidence. I didn't take the money. Do have a message, I can reveal that GM, people are willing to pay a high price to shut me up.
A: do those feelings will affect the judgment? People say your petty grudge?
Like: you can see my investigation, who will get 500,000 petty grudge?
A: you suffer a threat?
Cui yongyuan: on Twitter every day, let me watch it. It doesn't amount to very much. This old man was afraid.
When the teacher
Wrong can't joking
A: at communication University of China, teach courses?
Like: since there is no dedicated oral history textbooks, class is mainly about tips for a dozen years now, as well as abroad survey of oral history. In addition, also describes the emerging oral history research unit.
The Beijing News: doing oral history research and your work experience in the CCTV in conflict now?
Like: I do oral history began in 2002, demanding particularly large. Was doing the program, oral history is to collect information, interview 1-2 less hours, interviewed 100 hours. To integrate the information after the interview, particularly time-consuming, conflict and do the show.
The Beijing News: so you made a very early departure?
Like: in fact, in our age, the station wanted to do a good show, you might want to put to redouble their effort than in the past, did not like when he was young, so that the brain. As early as three years ago, I and I want to transfer to the media in the University and also do not agree, has been talking about, finally agreed to do it.
Reporter: have you considered teaching your old job, broadcasting programmes?
Like: the school wanted me to teach broadcasting, but I refused, and I being a broadcasting major, I was trained as a press interview.
I gave two lectures on teaching and presentation are very different, lecture less rigorous, as long as everyone is willing to listen to; but teach you each numbers, facts must have come from. And now very rich, do you know what students know, you say it again, might as well have his own Internet hits. Used to tell someone a bowl of water, they have to have a bucket of water. Now, you are a bucket of water, under the student and a bucket of water, how do I say it?
We change this way, first lecture did not speak well, two thousand or three thousand people, just made a speech. In a classroom for 100 people speak for the second time, if there is a one-third time, is most of the time and the interaction between people, everyone can stand up and say your opinion.
Reporter: greater pressure than programming in class?
Cui yongyuan: students ' greater than the pressure in front of the camera, hosting the program in the past, we are wrong, just as a joke, the audience laughed, this later; for students can't do not stagger a joke goes, he is holding onto you.
(Original title: CUI yongyuan: teaching stressful than hosting)
【对话人物】
崔永元 前央视著名主持人
【对话原因】
著名主持人崔永元最近颇受关注。12月20日晚9时，从美国归来的崔永元举行媒体说明会，就公众普遍关心的“离职央视”、“赴美调查转基因产品”、“与方舟子的微博斗争”等问题回答了在场多家媒体的提问。
20日9时左右，从机场赶到说明会现场的崔永元举起他的中国护照供媒体拍照，笑称终于能说明自己没有加入美国籍了。
随后，崔永元大方承认，与方舟子在微博上关于转基因的论战，是加速自身离开央视的原因。
他此次自费50万前往日本、美国等地调查转基因产品的安全问题，并准备将拍摄的素材和获得的资料制成纪录片发布。
崔永元还称，他已于12月7日正式入职中国传媒大学，已完成本学年的口述历史课程。而对于新工作，崔永元表示教书压力远比做主持人大。新京报记者 朱柳笛 实习生 王磊 北京报道
离职央视
我有“土匪”的一面
新京报：你就是因为方舟子才关注转基因的？
崔永元：就是因为方舟子。因为我是文科生，我对这玩意儿一开始搞不清楚。
新京报：那当时为什么在微博争论？
崔永元：我在网上看到新闻，方舟子搞了个转基因食品试吃，说创造条件让国人都吃上转基因。我一听这话就反感，因为我从“文革”过来，就烦人说非得干什么。
新京报：单纯只是反感？
崔永元：就只是反感。我一开始表述挺温和，我说公众可以吃，可以不吃。但方舟子的反弹非常厉害，我就有警觉了。于是我上网查资料，发现这个问题已争论很长时间了，全是我看不懂的词。我知道这事儿挺大，就开始研究，找两方面的学者请教。
一些院士说没有争议，就激起了我强烈的反感。明明有争议，什么叫没争议呢？你说美国人放心吃了(转基因食品)将近20年没事，那我们就去美国探访，是不是这样？
新京报：离职和与方的争论有关吗？
崔永元：我也不能跟他(方舟子)弄，因为央视有规定，不许发这样内容的微博，这是促使我离职的很大一个原因。我这次要跟方舟子弄，绝对是要违背中央台的规定的，不辞职，也得让我走，所以干脆辞了跟他干。这次台里看到这个情况不行了，肯定从上到下都批评我，所以真的加速了我的离开。
你用什么手段我就用什么手段，你说我造假，我就挖你造假；你骂人，我就骂人。崔永元变流氓，保护了这些(和方舟子辩论的)科学家。
记者：这是你离职的主要原因？
崔永元：他要在微博上再说难听话，我也说。我晚节不保，我不要以前的好形象。那个公众形象没有用，我觉得公众的生命安全更重要。我不能因为以前是政协委员、全国著名主持人就端着，我才不端着呢，那不是我。如果都认为我形象很好，那你们看错了，我有“土匪”的一面。
记者：你在微博中透露，说方舟子去央视告状？
崔永元：没用，中央电视台对我太了解了，我从1993年开始在这里打工，1996年主持节目，到今天离开，我一个仇人都没有，所有人对我都好，他告没用。
调查转基因
拒绝赞助，自费50万
新京报：所以去实地调查转基因？
崔永元：(转基因)不是微博能说清楚的事，很复杂；所以我就决定拍个纪录片，给大家描述清楚。我们请美国的采访团队，12月7号走，20号回来，采访了各类人。
新京报：接触了哪些人？
崔永元：包括专家、普通的市民，还有一些民间组织，大约50人，去了洛杉矶、芝加哥、西雅图。我们找到了方舟子的老师，舒伯特教授，他说你们吃不到转基因大豆，因为都做饲料和工业原料了。我们告诉他，中国把转基因大豆做成了豆油。
记者：你觉得目前关于转基因，还只能局限实验室，不该大规模推广使用？
崔永元：我觉得应该是分三步走，第一是扎实的实验室研究，全搞清楚，第二是试验田试验，第三步才是商业化种植，这三步可能相当长，要花几十年的时间。
新京报：这次调研，你得出了什么结论？
崔永元：我认为，转基因食品的安全性，科学家是有争议的。在这个前提下，我们作为普通的老百姓，又不懂这个事情，最好不要让我吃；或者给我一个选择的权利，可以吃，可以不吃，不能剥夺我选择的权利。
这是我参加转基因食品论战最终的观点，因为我没法阻止你们进口、种植，我的建议是，在商场设置转基因食品专柜，剩下的商品保证不含转基因，谁愿意吃谁买。
记者：去美国调查的费用来自哪里？
崔永元：全是自费。我拒绝了所有企业的赞助，为了公平公正。
新京报：花了多少钱？
崔永元：50万以上。
新京报：什么时间发布这个纪录片，在哪个平台？
崔永元：越快越好吧，现在素材太多了，大概有40个小时。什么时候播，选择什么平台我还没想。我出去调查的时候，只是觉得这些东西非常重要，要拿到手，把它做完，平台多了，平台还发愁吗？
微博论战
不能用“文革”手段
新京报：你跟方舟子微博论战很激烈？
崔永元：我跟方舟子的微博，大家也看了，斗得越来越不像样，过了底线了。
新京报：听得出来，你对方舟子有很强的情绪。
崔永元：不是情绪，我觉得他搅乱了中国科学界平和讨论的环境。大家坐下来面对面讨论、辩论，都没问题，这是在科学的范畴内。但不能搞“文革”手段。
记者：方舟子说你拍纪录片是为了推销有机食品，你怎么看？
崔永元：还说我拿了钱，把证据拿出来。我没拿钱。倒是有一个信息我可以透露，搞转基因的，有人愿意出高价让我闭嘴。
新京报：这些情绪会影响判断吗？人说你泄私愤？
崔永元：你们可以看看我的调查，谁拿50万泄私愤？
新京报：那你因此受到到过威胁吗？
崔永元：微博上天天有，让我小心点。这没什么了不起。这个岁数的男人还怕这个。
当老师
出了错没法开玩笑
新京报：任教中国传媒大学，教哪方面的课程？
崔永元：因为还没有专门的口述历史教材，现在上课主要是讲自己十几年的心得，以及国外口述史概况。另外，还介绍一些新兴口述史研究单位。
新京报：做口述历史的研究和你曾在央视的工作产生冲突了吗？
崔永元：我2002年开始做口述史，耗费精力特别大。台里是做节目，口述史是收集资料，少的采访1-2个小时，多的采访100个小时。采访后把资料整合，特别耗费时间，和做节目冲突。
新京报：所以你很早就提出了离职？
崔永元：其实，在我们这个年纪，在台里想做一个好节目，可能要比过去投入加倍的精力，脑子也不像年轻时那么好使。早在三年前，我就和台里提我想调到传媒大学，台里也不太同意，一直就在商量，这次终于同意了。
记者：是否考虑过教你的老本行，播音主持的课程？
崔永元：学校希望我教播音主持，但是我拒绝了，我不是播音主持专业的，我学的是新闻采访。
我上了两次课觉得教书和做演讲完全是两回事，演讲不用那么严谨，只要大家愿意听就可以了；但是教书，你每一个数字、事实都得有出处。而且现在信息非常丰富，你知道的学生都知道，你再讲一遍，还不如他自己上网过瘾呢。过去说给别人一碗水，自己得有一桶水。现在呢，你是一桶水，底下学生也是一桶水，怎么讲呢？
我们也在改变这种方式，第一次讲课没讲好，两三千人，基本上就做了个演讲。第二次在一个100人的教室里讲，讲了三分之一的时间，大部分时间都是和大家互动，每个人都可以站起来说自己的观点。
记者：上课压力比主持节目大吗？
崔永元：面对学生比面对镜头压力更大，过去主持节目，我们说错了，就当开个玩笑，观众也笑了，这事就过去了；对于学生可不能这么干，不是出了错开个玩笑就过去了，他会揪着你不放。
(原标题：崔永元：教书比主持压力大)
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