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The author:(作者)aaapublished in(发表于) 2013/12/24 8:42:43 Expert interpreting HIV express deaths
CCTV aired the news of 1+1 December 23, 2013 "death" Express, fatal loophole! Programming of the China University College of criminal justice Professor Ruan qilin said: "first of all is a unit of production management of transport of dangerous goods, should be strictly in accordance with the dangerous goods regulations relating to the transport of dangerous goods, if you break the rules, for dangerous goods accident crime, so should be the sending unit is the first responsible person. "As a written record of the following:
(Program Guide)
Narrator:
From Wuhan to Weifang, Dongying, a net purchase of new pair of shoes, why would become lethal express?
Guangrao County resident char lady:
I just get on it and instantly feel dizzy for a moment, began to sick.
Poisoning by 9 people, 1 dead, toxic chemicals, how can enter the area of express?
Logistics company employee:
Asked his situation at that time, he's telling the chloroacetonitrile, this thing, said there was no harm.
8 large management areas, 6,000 distribution points, 900 million shipments worth 13 billion, big companies like, what security?
Yuantong express Shanghai Feng Xiang, President of:
Salesman daily experience usually only in the light of his personal life, he has received training, even his own senses, to determine the nature of an object.
The News 1+1 today's focus, killing Express, fatal vulnerabilities.
Commentator Bai yansong:
Hello friends, welcome to broadcast the news of the 1+1. In the past few days, killing a courier, almost gone quite a lot of space in the media. The courier, is from Wuhan, after Weifang, and finally to Dongying, which finally led to 1 dead, 9 injured. But among concerns these days, I still have three questions, and gradually more and more heat up the three questions.
The first question is, in media reports, a large proportion of industry is paying attention to express such a circulation, small concerns sending such contraband business. But the problem is that this enterprise is illegal contraband, but courier companies is illegal, shouldn't we amplifier actually against the law in this area and really manage sources.
Second, this thing came out later, provide for the express industry in quick and, to examine each item must be in the future, just like people through security, but the problem is that, in such a large quantity of the express industry, coupled with our delivery person human limitations, this requirement would fall to the ground? If you can't land on the ground, this is a response to public sentiment, a short-term sexual behavior? How to make it real to the ground?
Third a questions, may many people didn't carefully to see, in this reported of, sent this prohibited items of enterprise people said such a words, he said impossible smell has it, even impossible touch has it on led to death,, I dare in front of all surface smell this prohibited of items, even dare to it painted in I of skin Shang, he suspected is not in rescue, and turn rule, or other of factors out has problem led to death does? The things we need to have a kind of scientific and medical response, or else I'm going to have problems, we're going to prove that is true as he says this, or the business person is lying? Well, today we will focus on the concerns of the first two questions, from lethal express started talking.
How a toxic chemical messages can enter the courier transportation? 1 dead, several people poisoned, such man-made disasters will do its best to avoid it in the future?
On the poly snapped up bargain brand, a look at this pair of shoes for less, children liked it, so we bought this pair of shoes.
A normal online shopping, to buy shoes for kids three days later, on November 29 had received. Miao Xingliang but when her husband after receiving the parcel, found a shoebox slippery black and had extra thick liquid. After opening the package, smell pungent smell of new shoes.
Guangrao County residents burnt ladies:
I down it and get on; all of a sudden a smell, just came into my respiratory, moments after feeling like I have a hangover, they begin to nausea.
Miao Xingliang soon because a strong reaction, visiting the hospital on their own, but only after half an hour, he enters a stage of being rescued, final evening, died. Hospital diagnosis die because toxic chemicals produced liquid methyl fluoroacetate poisoning.
Guangrao County Public Security Bureau police:
Fluoroacetic acid methyl ester from the shoes and shoe box detected on ingredients, are fluorine acetic acid methyl ester, toxic.
Ladies and couples in addition to Coke, Weifang, in charge of the express transportation of yuantong express company to join the staff, leakage of substances found in unloading cargo, and poisoning reactions.
Zhang Hansheng yuantong express staff:
Hurry up and get them sent to hospital to have me examined, and during this period we call the shipper, what the hell are we now employees have felt unwell. The second sender, tell me is methyl fluoride.
Upon investigation, killer responsible for the courier, poison fluoroacetic acid methyl ester, is from jingmen, Hubei Shayang County, jingmen bear XING chemical factory ships. During the course of this incident, companies sent breach sent toxic chemicals, and flexible company in Hubei province to join the company, did not comply with the requirements to strict inspection as the package. Tact Corporation Weifang joined the company knowingly last question, also posted as usual, various irregularities, eventually led to the tragedy.
Yesterday, the national post office, which is responsible for the delivery of postal operations, such as market access, is responsible for the postal industry work safety supervision as the main responsibilities of departments, issued an emergency notice, effective immediately, in the nationwide, carried out special rectification activities implementation of acceptance inspection system at a time. Key checking postal enterprises, there are express delivery companies, whether the user is present in case, Visually Inspected in person whether mailed items and belong to the State ban or restrict items deliver, as well as the names of the objects.
On December 21, Hubei Province postal authority to revoke the express acceptance of the State chemical company's express business license, the sender of the toxic chemicals, facilities of Hubei chemical factory worker Yang, also on suspicion of endangering public security by dangerous means, criminal detention by the police.
Bai yansong:
We should first of all be an account, if the plant in accordance with legal provisions, formal methods of transporting chemicals, about thousands of dollars of freight, basically about 25 kg. But if you use the express, only 200 dollars, which saved thousands of dollars, but thousands of dollars, but a human lives and injured 9 such a price. First, we cut to the Chase, we are concerned about this issue as a whole, send have express, and it joined the company, who were first responsible person? We want to link University College of criminal justice Professor Ruan qilin, Professor ruaan Hello.
Ruan qilin, University Professor, school of criminal justice:
How do you do.
We come straight to what chemical plant sent it, and express companies and it joined the company, the real first responsible person who is this thing? From a legal point of view.
Ruan qilin:
First of all is a unit of production management of transport of dangerous goods, should be strictly in accordance with the dangerous goods regulations relating to the transport of dangerous goods, if you break the rules, for dangerous goods accident crime, so should be the sending unit is the first responsible person.
Express side, the first responsible person is not what you think?
Courier company upon acceptance of goods, should be the identification of responsibilities, so that transport-related security incidents found during, but after all, they are now the courier companies have some checks might not strictly have to, so we're still requires, first and foremost the units engaged in the production and management of dangerous goods, should be strictly in accordance with the dangerous goods regulations for transport and management. Secondly, of course, is the express Division should also comply with the requirements, a rigorous inspection to ensure public safety.
From a legal perspective, first to clarify a doubt, real first responsible party should be outlawed chemical plants, to send such an object. Next Nguyen Professor, has a problem, we note to, actually Shandong of police, now has put chemical plant of Deputy manufacturers Yang a depending on to suspected dangerous method against public security to incorporated of, this relative sentencing is heavy of, is not everyone zhiqian guesses, has may is suspected dangerous items accident sin, you how regarded with of new of this charges, whether like some people guesses as, this will is because Shandong police is victims party?
She's all right, that is apparent in the present case, public danger due to dangerous goods, leading to victims of violations, which in accordance with the general sense of the past that, to the deaths and injuries are not caused by intentional, it is generally considered to be faults, dangerous goods accident. So as Shandong police for, he may on this problem comparison attention, so said, put this cases somewhat upgraded, and upgrade, high profile processing, is to dangerous method against public security sin to incorporated, such it of nature Shang, on than dangerous items accident Sin serious many, because according to dangerous approach against public security sin of provides, no caused consequences of to three years above, caused serious consequences of to Department ten years above, that processing have very heavy. This has nothing to do and if he was murdered, because public security organs are on behalf of the State to pursue the case, which was standing on the fair stand, this has nothing to do and is killed.
But probably more concern and attention is concerned.
Is relevant, Yes.
Well, then there will be problems to discuss with you. Next, we're going to focus, when this thing comes out, because society at large is watching express such a circulation industry and regulations introduced, such a provision, for example, are Visually Inspected for each item, you can plug the loopholes, it is more important to be able to fall, you can actually implement it?
Safety, effectiveness, stability, technology, innovation, firms should seek to become reality? Lethal express first leg, Shayang County, Hubei Province, 27th, yuantong express franchisee Wang Jing, head of Rasa Express Logistics, were right there in your Flash site.
Reporter:
Offset is a few people here?
Rasa Express Logistics company limited Jing Wang:
Person is a person.
What kind of stuff he was hauling?
Jing Wang:
He's just holding a blue barrel came in.
Come in here?
Comes in, he'll unscrew the CAP, we are able to assist and help lift the CAP tight.
You didn't ask what's in it?
I asked, had asked him, he said yes chloroacetonitrile, this thing says harmless, innocuous, if you accidentally touch hands, rinse with water and take it.
For the mailing of a liquid, the shipper has different explanations are given.
We have clearly sent to notify the other party's methyl fluoride?
Bear XING chemical factory, Deputy General Manager Huang Shengyong jingmen City:
Yes, and told him about a chemical product, excitant smell.
Both companies seem to be shirking its responsibility, Rasa express said, because doing business, they are just a simple inquiry.
According to our rules, if you receive such chemicals, and how to transport it? Have the rules?
I don't know, because if it is a hazardous chemical, the sender should not by express mail.
After the incident, Rasa Express Logistics courier business license has been revoked, yuantong express Shanghai as headquarters, sent a letter of apology, and said that to secure to reorganize.
Feng Xiang, President of Shanghai yuantong Express:
We also not has country by finds of, to chemicals nature for test of capacity with qualification, in inspection depending on of environment, because operation service of time, often we face customer time is very short of, in scene no with professional of instruments equipment, salesman usually only according to he of personal of life daily experience, he by was training, even said he personal of senses, to judge a items of nature.
On May 28, 2000, yuantong Express was established in Shanghai. From the inception, yuantong express to express the goal of the Chinese people.
Over 13 years, 8 zone, all over the country more than 6,000 more distribution outlets, express the range Rover received 900 million completed last year, the output value reached 13 billion. We don't know what tact company a huge number of business, how many of them are according to the clerk of the senses to determine if there are contraband. So-called problems also exist for how many years? Why difficult? This time, really be able to solve their own problems?
For example, in the case of, it exposes our individual franchise locations, Visually Inspected this session, lack of standardized operations. To address this issue, we will learn in the future.
Things out, now requires all courier companies must undergo strict inspection, but in reality, it can really be effective? We look at an article in May 2012, when this article spoke of the several points, 1th vision inspection system is not stringent, contraband levying such worthwhile, if only it would easier, pay attention to, and there are strict penalties, as long as it is not just what you sense? But second article, and third article is with it hedge of, we see, second article is inspection depending on means insufficient, recognition capacity limited, even he really of strictly Executive has, but due to means insufficient, recognition capacity limited, also hard blocked quite more of vulnerability, more besides third article inspection depending on provides unknown fine, split solutions Executive has difficult, volume and so big, so we exists huge of questions, developed this rules starting point may is on of, but it cannot landing, still good can't. So we're going to line the Chinese Executive Director of the Chartered Institute of logistics and material Hello, Director Xu.
Xu of China Logistics Association Executive Director:
Actually, I doubt, on account, which has also said just now that this is wrong, immediately out of the strict rules, each of the objects to be Visually Inspected, but in real life, due to capacity, a variety of factors, it is difficult to fall to the ground, how to resolve this contradiction?
Xu:
Now currently of situation is, we now many operation, express of development mode is to price for volume, this mode, daily is by volume to royalty, this situation Xia, we now inspection depending on, no time to inspection depending on, if said to inspection depending on, now only do currently business volume of one-third, this one-third guarantee he annually cannot has normal of months income, this is is. Another point which we now 50% of the practitioners, courier 50% above the junior high school students, they have no such differential ability to identify these kinds of dangerous goods, there is no such capacity. At one point, there are many of us like to fix some things, security can be used to detect, but for liquid dangerous goods, it is difficult to go with the naked eye, touch, or smell, identification, it is not dangerous goods, we express no such capacity, and may not help in this regard.
So swath seems so strict, was hard but fall to the ground, so this is all the more need to stress that, from a legal point of view to plug the source, which prohibited items cannot be found, as long as it's express, you will be subject to legal punishment. Also involve the question then, Director of Xu, on the transport of dangerous goods, but a truck may be easier, but such samples, whether this channel is clear, can keep it reasonably arrived?
Now from what I've read so far, now DG is actually the basic industry of the national economy of our country, to serve as a basis for many industries. But its sample shipping channels are not, Express can provide a door to door now, limited to value-added services, samples of dangerous goods have the demand, but we now have this channel, they have ventured into our delivery channels.
Thanks Xu directors give us a very professional in their interpretation. Means that it got us thinking about a lot of things, if you want to block a road in the future, we should give people a way, how to sample consignments of dangerous goods, we are under a legal provision of a prompt and clear way to go? This worthy of an entire social thinking. Next, we also pay attention, from sources, really stuck in the transport of dangerous goods.
This pair of shoes contaminated by toxic chemicals, a father will never leave, no longer able to express love to children, and when misfortune together behind the seemingly extreme events, it is sent again and get away with it. Xiong Xing chemical, is not the first time sent by courier to toxic chemicals, the company said, they express mail fluoroacetic acid methyl esters samples three times, the first two were issued to YTO express agent detection prove clearly inform sending goods are chemical products. In fact, such a situation is only three times? This notebook records from hatchery plants send express registration on June 28 this year, reporters saw sent by courier the sample over 20 times of the plant, which will include the end of November, samples sent to Weifang, Shandong. In addition, sending out samples of courier companies, more flexible, and shentong, yunda, us, etc.
Jingmen bear chemical, Deputy General Manager Huang Shengyong:
When they run underneath, I do not know from this logistics company.
Xiong Xing chemical factory has set up 10, all transport of chemical raw materials, person in charge, don't they know that sent toxic chemicals may harm you?
Huang Shengyong:
He why, I'll tell you what, major means it (methyl fluoride), (national) list of hazardous chemicals, he put it was careless. Logistics samples in the mail piece, and does not regulate.
Put the blame completely, ignoring the dangers that may exist, but this time there is no fluke, then face the lethal delivery, how to curb dangerous from the source? Seems to be just a courier company. Just two months ago, including rhyme, yuantong express company and had been the consignment of contraband Fusee, airline sales agents eligible to be written off. In August 2011, xiacheng district, Hangzhou yuantong express companies, possession of explosives for receiving and sending a parcel, parcel explosion accident occurred.
Postal service market supervision Deputy Director Zhang Haijin, Zhejiang Province:
This package does not conduct visual inspections will harvest just wanted to ask about something in the future, he (sender) said is a shoe or something, salesperson in this context (security check) done (enough).
More frightening scene occurred in Hefei airport freight Department of police on duty received alarming, said shipping cargo, nearly 30 suspected shells, shells is undoubtedly scene forensics. Investigation found that these shells sent a military enterprise to a Beijing Institute of chemical technology Institute, no gunpowder on the shells. Is only a shell, but I still make out in a cold sweat scared by all staff. Hefei airport police said, is only a shell, but civil aviation refused shipments of contraband. Log on China's largest online shopping platform Taobao, with lighter fuel for keywords related to the products, there are more than 50,000, some shops even marked oil is on fire hot items, we do not know what the net purchases be shipped all over the country through what channels, sender and the purchaser is aware of this danger?
Trainee Manager Gao Yulong Sto Express National Relay Management Center:
Changbai mountain ginseng, everyone said it's not contraband?
Express safety training courses for trainers:
Is.
In this event among, sent pieces of chemical plant accept interview of when also said such words, I front sent had many times are fine, this once is express company somewhat savage sorting wait, themselves illegal not to wanted to, and to accused others of violation, this on more reminded we how from legal level in source Shang put live this shut, continues to line of is University University of Ruan qilin Professor, Nguyen Professor Hello.
In face of the current us every year, I look at the data, 2012 delivery volumes of 56.9, 3.84 billion in the first half of this year, to break through the nearly 8 billion pieces, but how can we live in legal constraints on the source, plug in the starting of such prohibited goods on the site, do you think legally make a difference?
In this Shang, should said legal Shang is difference of, because we does awareness to, as Internet economic of development, logistics industry get has quickly of development, such on formed has mass of express of mail, so once a dangerous goods, entered to this mass of mailing channel yihou, on immediately runaway, involves to households of security, can entered to warehouse, entered to Highway, entered to aircraft Shang, so is very very of dangerous. Under such circumstances, in the event of danger, it is hard to control, so must be grasped from the source. Be sure so its source, which means that dangerous goods, contraband, is absolutely not handoff freight company freight, to be addressed through special channels, which is on the one hand, only through strict in this regard in order to ensure our safety. The other hand, strict identification if asked to express, first will add to our costs, and second so that our customers have lost a lot, too much. So in this sense, can say that society's needs, our legislative and judicial branches, something referred to, must be referred to the dangerous behavior must be severely punished.
Well, it's time, we were only here for a day, thank you to our interpretation of, Yes, we will close on the source, and also to regulate the circulation process.
央视《新闻1+1》2013年12月23日播出《“夺命”快递，致命漏洞！》节目中，中国政法大学刑事司法学院教授阮齐林这样说：“首先是从事危险品的生产管理运输的单位，应该严格按照危险品的管理规定来运送有关的危险品，如果违反这个规定，可能涉嫌危险物品肇事罪，所以应该是寄送单位是第一责任人。”以下为文字实录：
(节目导视)
解说：
从武汉到潍坊，再到东营，一双网购的新鞋，为什么会变成夺命快递？
广饶县居民 焦女士：
我就这样趴下一闻，就瞬间感觉到我的头晕了一下，就开始恶心。
9人中毒，1人死亡，有毒化学品，怎么可以进入快递领域？
物流公司员工：
当时问他的情况，他说的是氯乙腈，这个东西，说没有什么危害。
8大管理区，6千配送点，9亿快件量，产值130亿，这样的大公司，安全靠什么？
上海圆通速递有限公司总裁 相峰：
业务员通常只能根据他的个人的生活日常经验，他所受到培训，甚至说他个人的感官，来判断一个物品的性质。
《新闻1+1》今日关注，夺命快递，致命漏洞。
评论员 白岩松：
您好观众朋友，欢迎收看正在直播的《新闻1+1》。在几天以来，一个夺命的快递，几乎占走了相当多媒体的版面。这个快递，是从武汉出发，经过了潍坊，最后到达了东营，最后导致1人死亡，9人受伤。但是在这几天的关注之中，我依然有三个疑问，并且逐渐地还越发升温了这三个疑问。
第一个疑问是，在媒体的报道当中，相当大的比例是在关注着快递这样一个流通的行业，小比例关注的是寄这种违禁物品的企业。但问题是，寄这个违禁物品的企业是违法，但是快递公司是违规，我们该不该放大其实违法的这个领域，真正去管理源头。
第二个，这件事情一出来之后，快递行业就火速地规定，今后每件物品必须进行检视，就像人要过安检一样，但是问题是，在如此量大的快递行业，加上我们快递人员的人力的限制，这个规定能落地吗？如果不能落地，这会不会是一种带有面对公众情绪的时候一个短期性的行为？如何让它真正地落地呢？
第三个疑问，可能很多人没仔细去看，在这个报道当中，寄这个违禁物品的企业人士说过这样一段话，他说不可能闻了它，甚至不可能碰了它就导致死亡啊，我敢当着所有人面闻这个违禁的物品，甚至敢把它涂在我的皮肤上，他怀疑是不是在抢救、转治，或者其它的因素出了问题导致死亡呢？这个事情我们需要有一种科学和医学的回答，否则将来还会出问题，我们要去证明，是不是真的像他说的这样，还是这家企业的人在说谎？好了，今天我们重点要关注的是前两个疑问，来，从夺命快递开始说起。
一个有毒化学品邮件怎么就可以进入快递公司的运输环节？1人死亡，多人中毒，这样的人祸今后能尽力避免吗？
这个聚划算品牌抢购上，一看这双鞋比较划算，当时孩子也喜欢，所以我们就买下了这双鞋。
一次普通的网购，给孩子买的鞋三天后，也就是11月29日就收到了。但当丈夫缪兴亮接到包裹后，不但发现鞋盒湿滑发黑，上面还有粘稠的液体。打开包装后，新鞋的气味刺鼻难闻。
我就这样趴下一闻，就不行了，瞬间一股气味，就直接进入了我的呼吸道，就瞬间感觉到我的头晕了一下以后，就开始恶心。
很快缪兴亮因为反应剧烈，自行前往医院治疗，但仅过了半个小时，他就进入了被抢救阶段，最终在当天晚上，因抢救无效死亡。院方出示的诊断死因为有毒化学液体氟乙酸甲酯中毒。
广饶县公安局刑警队 民警：
氟乙酸甲酯，从这个鞋和鞋盒上都检测出那种成分，都是氟乙酸甲酯，反正有毒。
除了焦女士夫妇俩，负责此次快递运输的圆通速递潍坊加盟公司的多名工作人员，在卸载货物时就发现有物质泄漏，并出现中毒反应。
圆通速递公司 工作人员 张韩胜：
赶快把她们送医院去检查去，然后这个期间，我们又打电话问这个发货方，这到底是个什么东西，我们现在员工有感到不适的。第二次发件方，告诉我的是氟乙酸甲酯。
经过调查，夺命快递的元凶，有毒液体氟乙酸甲酯，是从湖北荆门沙洋县的荆门熊兴化工厂寄出的。在这起事件的全过程中，发件企业违规寄送有毒化学品，而圆通公司湖北加盟公司，也没有按照规定对包裹进行严格验视。最后圆通公司潍坊加盟公司明知物品有问题，还照常投递，种种不规范，最终导致了悲剧的发生。
昨天，国家邮政局，这个以负责快递等邮政业务的市场准入，负责邮政行业安全生产监管等工作为主要职责的部门，发出紧急通知，从即日起，在全国范围内，开展一次落实收寄验视制度专项整治活动。重点检查邮政企业，还有快递企业，是否是在用户在场的情况下，当面来验视交寄物品和是否属于国家禁止或者限制寄递的物品，以及物品的名称。
12月21日，湖北省邮政管理局吊销收寄该业态化学品快递公司的快递业务经营许可证，此次有毒化学品的发件人，湖北设施化工厂的工作人员杨某，也因涉嫌以危险方法危害公共安全，被警方刑拘。
白岩松：
我们首先要算一笔账，这家化工厂如果按照法律规定，正规的方式去运送化工品，大约需要数千元的运费，基本上25公斤左右。但是如果用快递，只需要200块钱，也就是省了几千块钱，但是省的这几千块钱，却付出了一个人命和9个人受伤这样一个代价。首先我们开门见山，在整个我们关注的这件事情当中，寄送者还有快递方，还有它的加盟公司，究竟谁是第一责任人？我们要连线中国政法大学刑事司法学院的教授阮齐林，阮教授您好。
阮齐林 中国政法大学刑事司法学院教授：
您好。
我们开门见山地说，究竟化工厂寄送它，以及快递公司和它的加盟公司，谁是这件事情的真正第一责任人？从法律的角度看。
阮齐林：
首先是从事危险品的生产管理运输的单位，应该严格按照危险品的管理规定来运送有关的危险品，如果违反这个规定，可能涉嫌危险物品肇事罪，所以应该是寄送单位是第一责任人。
那么快递公司这一方，并不是你认为的第一责任人？
快递公司对所收寄的物品，应该有查验的职责，以免在运输过程中发现有关的安全事故，但是毕竟他们现在这个快递公司有一些把关，可能把得不是很严，所以我们还是首先要求从事危险品的生产管理的有关单位，应该严格地遵照有关危险品的管理规定进行运输和管理。其次，当然还是作为快递部门，也应该遵守有关规定，进行严格的查验，以保公共安全。
从法律角度来说，第一个澄清了一个疑问，真正的第一责任方应该是违法的化工厂，来寄送这样的一个物品。接下来阮教授，有一个问题，我们注意到，其实山东的警方，现在已经把化工厂的副厂家杨某视以涉嫌危险方法危害公共安全来立案的，这个相对量刑是重的，并不是大家之前猜测，有可能是涉嫌危险物品肇事罪，您怎么看待用的新的这个罪名，是否像有的人猜测那样，这会不会是因为山东警方是受害者一方？
那倒不是，就是说本案中间显而易见，由于危险品导致的公共危险，导致被害人受到侵害，这种情况按照过去的一般分寸，认为对致人死伤不是故意的，所以一般认为是过失的，危险物品肇事罪。那么作为山东警方来说，他可能对这个问题比较重视，所以说，把这个案件有点升格、升级，高调处理，也就是以危险方法危害公共安全罪来立案，这样它的性质上，就比危险物品肇事罪严重很多，因为根据危险办法危害公共安全罪的规定，没有造成后果的要三年以上，造成严重后果的要处十年以上，那个处理得非常重。这个和他是不是被害一方没有关系，因为公安机关是代表国家来追诉案件的，这是站在公正的立场上，这个和是不是被害方没有什么关系。
但可能和更多人的关注以及重视程度是有关的。
是有关系的，没错。
好，之后还会有问题向您请教。接下来，我们就要关注，这件事情一出来的时候，由于全社会都在关注着快递这样一个流通行业，因此相关规定也出台，这样的规定，比如说每件物品都进行验视，是否可以堵住漏洞，更重要的是它能够落地，能够真正地实施吗？
安全、时效、稳定、科技、创新，企业的追求能成为现实吗？夺命快递发生第一站，湖北省沙洋县，27日下午，圆通速递加盟商沙洋运通物流有限公司负责人王晶，当时就在收快递的现场。
记者：
对方是几个人过来的？
沙洋运通物流有限公司 王晶：
对方是一个人。
当时他拎着什么样的东西过来的？
王晶：
他就直接拎着一个蓝色的桶进来。
进来以后呢？
进来以后他就扭开瓶盖，让我们协助帮着把瓶盖封紧一点。
您没问里面是什么吗？
我问了的，当时问他的情况，他说是氯乙腈，这个东西说没什么危害，无毒的，如果不慎沾到手上的话，用清水冲洗一下就可以了。
对于这个被邮寄的液体，寄件方却给出了不同的说法。
咱们已经明确告知对方寄的是氟乙酸甲酯？
荆门市熊兴化工厂有限公司副总经理 黄胜勇：
对，而且跟他说了是化学产品，有刺激性气味的。
两家企业似乎都在推卸责任，沙洋运通称，因为有业务往来，他们只是进行了简单询问。
根据咱们规定的话，如果接收到这样的化学品，应该怎么样去进行运送呢？有没有这方面的规定？
这个我也不是很清楚，因为如果是危险化学品，寄件人是不应该通过快递邮寄的。
事件发生后，沙洋运通物流有限公司已经被吊销了快递业务经营许可证，而作为总部的上海圆通速递有限公司，也发出了道歉信，并表示，要进行安全整顿。
我们也不具备国家所认定的，对化学品性质进行检验的能力跟资质，在验视的环境，因为操作服务的时间，往往我们面对客户时间是非常短暂的，在现场没有借助专业的仪器设备，业务员通常只能根据他的个人的生活日常经验，他所受到培训，甚至说他个人的感官，来判断一个物品的性质。
2000年5月28日，圆通速递在上海成立。从成立之初，圆通速递就在为成为中国人的快递这一目标而努力。
13年多时间，8大管理区，遍布全国6千多个配送网点，去年完成快件揽收量9亿件，产值达到130亿。我们不知道圆通公司数量庞大的业务中，有多少是根据业务员的个人感官来判断是否存在违禁品。所谓的难题，又存在了多少年？为什么一直难以解决？这一次，又真的能够解决自己的问题吗？
比方说在这个事例中，就暴露出我们个别的加盟网点，在验视这个环节，没有实行规范的操作。针对这个问题，我们今后一定会吸取教训。
事一出了，马上就要求所有的快递公司每个东西必须要进行严格的验视，但是现实中，它真的能够有效吗？我们来看2012年5月份的一篇文章，当时这篇文章就谈到了有几点，第一点是验视制度执行不严，违禁品照收不误，如果只有这一点的话好办，重视了，而且有严格的惩罚，那么只要是意识上执行严了不就行了吗？但是第二条、第三条是跟它对冲的，我们看，第二条是验视手段不足，识别能力有限，即便他真的严格执行了，但是由于手段不足，识别能力有限，也很难堵住相当多的漏洞，更何况第三条验视规定不明细，拆解执行有困难，量又这么大，因此我们存在巨大的疑问，制定这个规则出发点可能是对的，但是它无法落地，依然好不了。所以我们马上要连线中国物流学会常务理事徐勇，徐理事您好。
徐勇 中国物流学会常务理事：
其实我的疑问，刚才在叙述当中也已经说了，这个规定一出事，立即出了这么严的规定，每一个物件都要进行验视，但是现实生活中由于能力，各种因素决定，它很难落地，这个矛盾怎么解决？
徐勇：
现在目前的状况是，我们现在很多操作，快递的发展模式是以价换量，这种模式，每天是靠量来提成，这种情况下，我们现在验视，没有时间去验视，假如说去验视，现在只能做到目前业务量的1/3，这个1/3保证他每年不能有正常的月收入，这是一点。另外一点，我们现在50%以上的从业人员，快递员里边有50%以上是初中生，他们没有这种鉴别能力去鉴别一些像这种危险品，根本没有这种能力。还有一点，现在我们很多有一些像对固定的一些物品，可以用安检机去检测，但对液体的危险品，我们很难去用肉眼，用触摸，或者用闻，鉴别它是不是危险品，我们现在快递员根本没有这种能力，验视在这方面可能无济于事。
所以是出台了一个看似很严格的东西，但是落地真的是很难，所以在这一点就更加要强调，要从法律的角度去堵住源头，这种违禁的物品就不能运，只要是快递，你会受到法律的相关处罚。接下来还涉及到这样一个问题，徐理事，在危险物品的运送上，如果要是一整车可能好办，但是像这种样品，是否有这种渠道很明晰，能够保证它合理地运达？
现在目前从我了解的情况来看，现在危险品其实也是我们国家国民经济的基础性产业，对很多产业起到一个基础的作用。但是它的样品运输渠道是没有的，现在快递可以提供一种门到门，限时可增值服务，危险品样品有这样的需求，但是我们现在没有这种渠道，他们冒险使用了我们快递渠道。
非常感谢徐勇理事给我们提出的非常有专业的解读。其实意味着这件事情让我们该思考的东西很多，今后如果想堵住一条路，就要给人开一条路，如何在危险品样品运送方面，我们迅速有一条法律规定下的明确途径呢？这值得整个社会思考。接下来我们就更要关注，如何从源头上，真正去卡住这种危险物品的运送。
这双沾染有毒化学品的童鞋，让一个父亲永远离去，无法再向孩子表达爱意，而当不幸降临，一起看似极端的事件背后，却是寄件方一次又一次的侥幸。熊兴化工，已经不是第一次通过快递发送有毒化学品，该公司负责人称，他们快递寄过三次氟乙酸甲酯样品，前两次都向圆通快递代理商出具了检测证明，明显告知寄送物品是化学产品。而实际上，这样的情况只有三次吗？这个笔记本记录了从今年6月28日起孵化分厂寄送快递的登记，记者看到，该厂通过快递寄送样品超过20次，其中就包括11月底，寄往山东潍坊的样品。另外，寄送样品的快递公司，也不止圆通一家，还有申通、韵达、德邦等。
荆门熊兴化工有限公司副总经理 黄胜勇：
他们下边具体经办的时候，我确实不晓得是从这个物流公司寄的。
熊兴化工有限公司已经成立10年，所有化工原料的运输，都有专人负责，难道他们不知道寄送有毒化学物品可能的危害吗？
黄胜勇：
他为什么呢，我跟你说，主要就是说它(氟乙酸甲酯)不在(国家公布的)危险化学品名录上，他就把这个东西大意了。物流在邮寄样品这一块，确实不规范。
将责任推得一干二净，无视可能存在的危险，只是这一次没有侥幸，那么面对此次夺命快递，如何从源头遏制危险？似乎也不仅仅是快递公司的事。就在两个月前，包括韵达、圆通等快递公司，曾先后因为航空托运违禁品耐风火柴，被注销航空销售代理人资格。2011年8月，杭州市下城区圆通快递公司营业部，因为收寄了一个藏有爆炸物的包裹，发生邮包爆燃事故。
浙江省邮政管理局市场监管处副处长 张海晋：
这个包裹确实没有进行验视，收进来以后就简单问了一下什么东西，他(寄件人)说是鞋子什么的，营业员在这方面(安全检查)做得(不够)。
更吓人的一幕发生在合肥机场值班民警接到货运部报警，称托运的货物内，有疑似炮弹近30枚，现场取证为炮弹无疑。调查发现，这些炮弹系某军工企业寄到北京某防化科技院做研究所用，炮弹内无火药。虽只是外壳，但依然让现场所有工作人员惊出了一身冷汗。合肥机场公安表示，虽只是外壳，但仍属民航不允托运违禁品行列。登录国内最大的网购平台淘宝网，以打火机燃料为关键词的相关产品，就有五万多件，部分网店甚至还标注着火机油是违禁品的字样，我们不知道这样的网购将通过什么渠道发往全国各地，发件人和购买者又是否意识到这其中的危险？
申通快递全国中转管理中心见习经理 高玉龙：
长白山野山参，大家说它是不是违禁品？
快递安全培训课培训员：
是。
在这个事件当中，寄件的化工厂接受采访的时候还说过这样的话，我前面寄过很多次都没事，这一次是不是快递公司有点野蛮分拣等等，自己违法不去想，而去指责别人的违规，这就更加提醒我们如何从法律层面在源头上把住这个关，继续连线的是政法大学的阮齐林教授，阮教授您好。
面对现在我们每年，我看了这样一个数据，2012年快递的业务量56.9，今年上半年38.4亿件，要突破近80亿件，但是我们如何在源头上用法律去约束住，把这种违禁的物品堵在出发的那个地点，你觉得法律上有所作为吗？
在这点上，应该说法律上是有所作为的，因为我们确实认识到，随着互联网经济的发展，物流业得到了迅速的发展，这样就形成了海量的快递的邮件，因此一旦一个危险品，进入到这个海量的邮递渠道以后，就马上失控，涉及到千家万户的安全，可以进入到仓库，进入到高速公路，进入到飞机上，所以是非常非常的危险。因此这种情况之下，一旦发生了危险，实在难以控制，所以必须要从源头上加以把握。所以源头上加以把握，就是说危险品、违禁品，是绝对不可以交递快运公司快运的，要通过特殊渠道来解决，这是一方面，只有通过这方面严把，才能确保我们安全。另一方面，如果要求快递公司严格查验，第一会增加我们的成本，第二也会使我们的客户失去了很多的方便，代价太大。所以在这个意义上讲，可以说社会生活的需要，到底我们的立法和司法，对于交由的东西，一定对交由危险品的行为一定要严加惩治。
好，时间到了，我们只能今天先说到这儿了，非常感谢您带给我们的解读，是的，我们要在源头上把着关，同时流通过程中也要规范。
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