"Qisheng" NIE Weiping: don't jerk me around, the computer can't overcome human-go, artificial intelligence, and Li Shishi-IT information
March 8 afternoon News, go "Qisheng," said NIE Weiping section recently attended the activity, published for the upcoming Google go program AlphaGo and Korea go chess national champion Li Shishi , NIE Weiping said the computer can't beat humans, now on the so-called "machine can beat humans" is all bluff.
NIE Weiping believes in the man-machine chess showdown, Li Shishi will win, said in a question-and-answer and then, losing to AlphaGo European Championship Fan Hui to the chess community lost face, also said they were not aware of the so-called "European Chess Championship".
NIE Weiping stressed that, in the field of chess, computer bottlenecks and obstacles impassable, professional chess players wanted to beat a human at this stage is almost impossible. NIE Weiping explained: "so go on judging, I think is a problem in the computer, I don't know if you can solve, can solve, I support computer win, and now I must think trick can't win. But I hope you can win people's calculations. ”
Record of NIE Weiping of the following statement:
Good evening friends! The computer I just say a big amateurs, but I was very early contact. I remember it was in 1988 when Taiwan University President Dr Shen invited me to the friendship hotel in Beijing, I think computer go competitions around the world. At that time there were a veterans bonus is $ 400,000, his computer can get 9 wins section, for example, find a section, he'll send you $ 400,000, it was in 1988, was a film and television Foundation.
I happened to see a game is a computer being throw in the towel, it's actually great, why give up? Because the enemy in the Tiger inside a subfolder, latch onto the enemy in my thumb to do? The computer suddenly had to throw in the towel . I took Shen said the match would you let me see? At that time nearly 400,000 dollars is for 9 to win. Now for example, Ke Jie, Li Shishi, 9 WINS will give you $ 400,000.
Now times have changed, now we're talking under a flat, what bonuses well over 400,000, it makes me feel very shocked. Also illustrates a fundamental change in our computer. But since I am a layman, I have great doubt, I think the computer is unlikely to win. You say these things I think are fooled, absolutely impossible .
Because? I have heard one expert told me, go change and he told me there was 361x360x359, this class is itself an infinite number, what can't be expressed. And it contains a lot of changes in the Middle, he has to play the second one, three, knotted, Snapback, each of which there are many. At that time China has a computer called the milky way, he is impossible to say that the Galaxy contains so much, it is not possible. Many chess computers are vocational and technical, then 9, he can't beat. Said deep blue, and so on, when very ill cattle, when more than go computer by professional chess players at least 9.
I said of is according to I by know of, but essentially I think has a insurmountable of technology obstacles, here members are is experts, go has a judge, computer met a situation of when, about produced hundreds of a changes of reference figure, each a reference figure, are has a he on this situation good or is bad of judge, this I think computer cannot bear, he not calculation, he is see now of situation who good . I don't think computers can break with this. So compared to humans and computers, there is no winner, 100% people win . I hope you will make, as I have just said, can this thing pass judgment, you can challenge the professional chess player.
Did you say Ke Jie section, now I can find a professional chess player estimated that computers will be lost to him. So I urge you, in the strong artificial intelligence carried out at the same time, still have to work hard in this respect, if this thing can break through, I can beat you down. Human brain is something that many changes. Many professional players, the top professional players is not the same, there will be a lot of analysis. For example Li Shishi think in this situation, he feels he can, Ke Jie he felt this situation you can't, other people have all sorts of opinions. So go on judging, I think is a problem in the computer, I don't know if you can solve, can solve, I support computer win, and now I must think trick can't win. But I hope you can win people's calculations.
“棋圣”聂卫平：别忽悠我，电脑不可能战胜人类 - 围棋,人工智能,李世石 - IT资讯
3月8日下午消息，有围棋”棋圣“之称的聂卫平九段近日出席活动时，发表了对于即将到来的谷歌围棋程序AlphaGo和韩国围棋国手李世石的看法，聂卫平表示，电脑不可能战胜人类，现在外界所谓关于“机器能战胜人类”的说法都是忽悠人。
聂卫平相信此次人机围棋对决中，李世石会取得胜利，并在随后的问答中称，输给AlphaGo的欧洲冠军樊麾给围棋界丢了脸，还进一步表示并不认识这个所谓的“欧洲围棋冠军”。
聂卫平强调，在围棋领域里，有电脑不可逾越的瓶颈和障碍，现阶段想打败人类的职业棋手几乎不可能。聂卫平自己解释说：“所以在围棋的判断上，我觉得是计算机中的大难题，我不知道你们能不能解决，能解决的话我就支持计算机赢人，现在我肯定认为是忽悠赢不了。但是我希望你们能做出能赢人的计算。”
以下为聂卫平的发言实录：
各种朋友晚上好！刚才大家说的电脑我是大大的外行，但是我很早的时候就接触了。我记得是1988年的时候，台湾大学的校长沈博士请我去北京的友谊宾馆，请我看全世界电脑围棋比赛。当时有一位老总出奖金是40万美元，他的电脑能让9个赢九段，比如说当时找一个最面的九段，他就给你发40万美元，这是1988年，当时是影视基金会董事长。
我正好看到一个比赛是一个电脑正在认输，它实际上形势好极了，为什么认输呢？因为敌人在它的虎口里面放了一个子，敌人把子放到我虎口里怎么办？那个电脑突然响起来认输了。我拉起沈总说这种比赛你还让我看吗？那时候将近是40万美元，是让9个能赢。现在比如说柯洁、李世石，9个赢就给你40万美元。
说明现在时代不同了，现在我们说的是平下，什么奖金大大超过当年40万，这使我感到非常的震惊。也说明我们的电脑发生了根本性的变化。但是由于我是外行，我还是极大的怀疑，我认为电脑是不可能赢人的。你们说的这些东西我认为是忽悠，绝对是不可能的。
因为什么？我以前听过一位高人对我讲，围棋的变化他告诉我说是361×360×359，这种阶层本身就是一个无限大的数，阶层到底就没法表达。而且中间还包含很多变化，他有打二还一，打三还一，打结、倒扑，每一种变化有很多。那时候中国有一种电脑叫银河，他说银河是不可能包含那么多的，所以不可能。围棋电脑是被职业技术让很多，那时候让9个也赢不了。刚才说深蓝等等这些，在非常厉害牛的时候，那时候围棋电脑被职业棋手至少让9个以上。
我说的是据我所知的，但是根本上我认为有一个不可逾越的技术障碍，在座各位都是专家，围棋有一种判断，电脑碰到一个情况的时候，一下产生几百个变化的参考图，每一个参考图，都有一种他对这个局面好或者是不好的判断，这个我觉得电脑无法承担，他不是计算，他就是看现在的形势谁好。我不认为现在有电脑能突破这个。所以人和电脑相比，根本没有胜负，100%是人赢。我希望你们以后做出，就是我刚才说的，能把判断这个东西过关，就可以挑战职业棋手了。
刚才你们说柯洁九段，现在我随便找一个职业棋手估计电脑都会输给他。所以我劝你们在大力开展人工智能的同时，还得在这方面下下功夫，如果这个东西可以突破，我估计就可以战胜人了。人的大脑有些东西，就是很多的变化。实际上很多职业棋手，最顶尖职业棋手看法也不一样，变化会有很多的分析。比如说李世石认为这种形势，他觉得他可以，柯洁他就觉得这种形势你不行，其他人有各种各样的看法。所以在围棋的判断上，我觉得是计算机中的大难题，我不知道你们能不能解决，能解决的话我就支持计算机赢人，现在我肯定认为是忽悠赢不了。但是我希望你们能做出能赢人的计算。