Apple to the company hundreds of millions of dollars of patent fees, this true? -Royalty, Huawei-IT information
From Huawei and cross-license patents from Apple on the fact that Apple paid hundreds of millions of dollars in licensing fees to Huawei, requires two significant jumps in thinking, and each time jumps are so lack of reality according to and there is no logic.
Recently, a claim that Apple give Huawei the "hundreds of millions of dollars" news of patent licensing fees in the Internet world as spread as possible, and that the mainstream media, including the people's daily also reprint, review their language not astonishing comment, very lively.
But the truth of what is the case?
Spend a little effort to retrieve what you will find, all reports are referred to the original sources are Guangdong Province, Guangdong provincial intellectual property Office published the 2015 patents monitor report, referred to in the report, company licensed to Apple patent 769 last year, Apple licensed patent 98 to Huawei.
But the report shall be published by the end of last year, at the beginning of January of this year already has the network media reported that just because there is no "paid hundreds of millions of dollars" spook-the title, and there is no cause for concern, what set off the waves.
Things change was probably at the beginning of May this year, good thing I do not know for what purpose, starting in the heading by adding "or to pay hundreds of millions of dollars" from, because the amount is so amazing, and then got out of hand, forwards began to be explosive. Speculation and uncertainty in the title "? "," Or "," expected ", the words" also disappeared in the forwards, as if Apple paid the company hundreds of millions of dollars have become a done deal to establish the facts.
Then this "paid hundreds of millions of dollars" what to do? After reading most of the reports will come to a conclusion, this is first opened the imaginary brain.
Patent licensing for Huawei and Apple, perhaps the only certainty is that Huawei is licensed to Apple patent 769, Apple licensed patent to Huawei 98 should be true, as can be found on the website of the State intellectual property office.
However, if you want to Huawei and the fact that cross-license patents from Apple be Apple to Huawei, pay hundreds of millions of dollars in licensing fees, you need two significant jumps in thinking, and each time jumps are so lack of reality according to and there is no logic.
? Thinking of jumping 1: cross-licensing, Huawei's number of patents than Apple, does that mean that Apple needs to pay royalties on its licensing fees?
In many reports have mentioned: "in the communications industry, when the two companies signed a patent licensing, patent license amount charged by one party to a small number of patent fees. "This is all reported that Apple had to pay royalties to Huawei is based.
However, it is regrettable that, in most industries, including the communications industry patent license negotiations, there is no such rule. Patent licensing negotiation is not a gang war on the streets, entirely on human sea tactics to win.
In fact patented quality is more important than quantity considerations, this is also why the so-called standard patent is considered to be "the killing machine" reasons. How royalties are calculated in the cross-license, depends entirely on the results of the negotiations the sides according to a variety of factors. Therefore, Huawei and Apple's patent cross license, Apple has the potential to pay royalties to Huawei, but both sides also can occur without paying patent fees and even Huawei to pay royalties to Apple, it is perfectly possible.
? Thinking of jumping 2: assuming Apple really paid a licensing fee to Huawei, then "hundreds of millions of dollars"?
Let us assume that Apple really paid a licensing fee to Huawei. Then the "hundreds of millions of dollars" what meter (XI ǎ NG) of (XI à NG) out of it?
Mentioned in the report: "at present, Huawei and Ericsson reserves on the order of magnitude of the patent as good as grades, according to Ericsson and Apple's patent licensing fees used to estimate that Apple at least once a year to pay the company hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties. ”
In other words, the "hundreds of millions of dollars" just based on Ericsson and Apple's patent license fees "estimate". This is the estimation of the most bizarre I've ever seen, and that "their children and neighbors as smart" as plausible. Don't forget the Huawei cross license with Apple but released by the State intellectual property Office of China patent.
It is well known that patents in China and United States patents there is a huge gap in value. Present situation of Chinese patent value is too low, almost everyone knows is in intellectual property, the most urgent problem.
If Huawei nearly 800 patents, licensing fees to hundreds of millions of dollars (just think of the hundreds of millions of dollars in "number" refers to 2 out), then company a patent license fee is on average about $ 250,000, equivalent to 1.6 million Yuan. A Chinese patent is worth so much money, would you believe it?
If that's the case, then last year on various public occasions that the Chinese patent value is too low the song, those still operating in China patent industries hardest messengers peers and gentlemen, estimates are far more fun nights awake.
Media where Huawei is said to have proof of the authenticity of the report, Huawei said in the reply, the two sides signed a confidentiality agreement, not be released. However, regardless of whether the company receives licensing fees from Apple's real money, only with the avalanche of publicity, various media about the much-praised, people's daily saying "honest officer sweating is the right way", Huawei is a real winner.
In fact, Huawei patent license negotiations and international big companies hefty license fee income through foreign patents as early as not news, Huawei's song was mentioned several times in his speech.
However, this time from an unlikely message spread rapidly, to various media without proof of unprofessional reports, critics dubious comment, one can't help but wonder, people's daily called "an honest sweat real work" from our seemingly a lot of distance.
苹果交给华为数亿美元专利费，这事属实吗？ - 专利费,华为 - IT资讯
要从华为和苹果公司交叉许可专利的事实上得到苹果向华为支付数亿美元的专利许可费，需要两次思维的大幅度跳跃，而每一次跳跃都是那么的缺乏现实根据和没有逻辑。
最近有一则声称苹果给华为交了“数亿美元”专利使用许可费的消息在中文网络世界里愈传愈烈，以至于包括人民日报在内的主流媒体也纷纷转载，引来时评家们的各种语不惊人死不休的评论，一时间好不热闹。
但是事情的真相究竟如何呢？
只要稍微花点儿功夫检索一下就会发现，所有的报道都提到了最初的消息来源是广东省知识产权局公布的《2015年广东省专利监控报告》，该报告中提到,去年华为向苹果公司许可专利769件，苹果公司向华为许可专利98件。
但是该报告在去年年底即已发布，在今年的1月份已经有网络媒体开始报道，只是因为没有“支付数亿美元”这样唬人的标题，所以并没有引起关注，掀起什么波澜。
事情的变化大概是在今年5月初，有好事者不知出于何种目的，开始在标题中加入“或支付数亿美元”的字眼，因为这个数额太过惊人，于是此后便一发不可收拾，开始被爆炸性转发。本来标题中表示猜测和不确定的“？”，“或”，“预计”等字样也在转发中消失，好像苹果支付华为数亿美元已经成了板上钉钉的确定事实。
那么这个“支付数亿美元”到底是怎么来的呢？读完大部分报道就会得到一个结论，这都是始作俑者脑洞大开想象出来的。
对于华为和苹果之间的专利许可，大概唯一可以确定的是，华为向苹果公司许可专利769件,苹果公司向华为许可专利98件应该是真实的，因为在国家知识产权局的网站上可以查到。
然而，要想从华为和苹果公司交叉许可专利的事实上得到苹果向华为支付数亿美元的专利许可费，就需要两次思维的大幅度跳跃，而每一次跳跃都是那么的缺乏现实根据和没有逻辑。
• 思维跳跃1：在交叉授权许可中，华为的专利数量远超苹果，是否意味着苹果需要向华为支付专利许可费？
在很多报道中都提到：“在通信业，两个公司签订专利许可时，专利许可数量多的一方要向数量少的一方收取专利费。”这就是所有报道中认为苹果要向华为支付专利费的根据。
然而遗憾的是，在包括通信业在内的大部分行业的专利许可谈判中，并没有这样的规则。专利许可谈判并不是街头打群架，完全是靠人海战术倚多取胜。
事实上专利的质量是比数量更为重要的考虑因素，这也是为什么所谓的标准专利会被认为是“大杀器”的原因。在交叉许可中如何计算专利费，完全取决于双方根据各种因素谈判的结果。因此，在华为和苹果的专利交叉许可中，苹果有可能向华为支付专利费，但是双方也有可能互相都不支付专利费，甚至华为向苹果支付专利费，也完全可能。
• 思维跳跃2：假设苹果真的向华为支付了专利许可费，那么是不是“数亿美元”？
让我们姑且假设苹果真的向华为支付了专利许可费。那么这个“数亿美元”又是怎么计（xiǎng）算（xiàng）出来的呢？
报道中提到：“目前，华为与爱立信在专利储备上的量级与等级不相上下，按照爱立信与苹果的专利许可费用来估算话，苹果每年至少向华为支付数亿美元的专利费。”
也就是说，这个“数亿美元”仅仅是根据爱立信与苹果的专利许可费用“估算”出来的。这应该是我见过的最离奇的估算方法，就和认为“自己的孩子和邻居的孩子一样聪明”一样不靠谱。不要忘了这次华为和苹果交叉许可的可是国家知识产权局公布的中国专利。
众所周知，中国专利和美国专利在价值上存在巨大的差距。中国专利价值过低的现状，是我国知识产权界几乎人人心知肚明，最急需解决的现实问题。
如果华为的将近800件专利的许可费用为数亿美元（就认为这个数亿美元的“数”是指的2好了），那么华为的一件专利平均的许可费就是大约25万美元，折合人民币160万元。一件中国专利能值这么多钱，你会相信么？
如果真是如此，那么去年还在各种公开场合指出中国专利价值太低的宋柳平先生，那些还在中国的专利运营行业里艰难的辗转腾挪的各位同行们，估计都要开心得晚上睡不着觉了。
据说有媒体去向华为求证此次报道的真实性，华为在回复时称，双方签有保密协议，不便透露。不过，不管华为是否收到来自苹果的真金白银的许可费，仅凭这次铺天盖地的宣传效果，各家媒体对华为的大肆赞扬，人民日报的一句“老老实实干事流汗才是正道”，华为都已是不折不扣的大赢家。
其实，华为在和国际大企业的专利许可谈判中通过外国专利获取不菲的许可费收入早都不是什么新闻了，华为的宋柳平先生就曾经在演讲中多次提到过。
然而这次从一则不靠谱的消息的迅速扩散，到各家媒体不加求证的不专业报道、评论家门不靠谱的评论，都不禁让人感叹，人民日报所称的“老老实实流汗干实事”距离我国的现实貌似还有不小的距离。