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> A police administrative networks broke the news network posted a screenshot of the activist experience.
Recently, more forums have an article entitled the experience for a civilian police administrative rights article, author of Xiaolin Zhang (not his real name) claims to be a county in weinan city, Shaanxi Province Public Security Bureau police, part-time law clerk, recent capacity as a citizen, was fined for contrary to stop before the Police Brigade in the process did not comply with administrative punishment procedure, Weicheng district, xianyang city, sued the Police Brigade and eventually won.
Xiaolin Zhang, said activist experience for up to 8 months, experienced people to do "hard, her face ugly." Meanwhile, related departments, there are no strong sense of things not standard issue.
> Xiaolin Zhang received contrary to the Park to inform. Respondents posted pictures on the Forum
Upstream news-Chongqing morning news reporters left on via Internet post phone contact with Xiaolin Zhang, and in the County of weinan city, Shaanxi Province, the Public Security Bureau police station to verify Xiaolin Zhang civilian police identity.
On April 12, the upstream Chongqing morning news reporters News-(China fire hotline: M17702387875@163.com) dialog police Xiaolin Zhang, activist of the whole picture and interviews were conducted.
> Weicheng contrary to stop penalty decision issued by the traffic Police Brigade. Respondents posted pictures on the Forum
I say no police protection, I am an ordinary citizen
Upstream News: once this thing is causing much attention of the discussion?
Xiaolin Zhang: the State requires the rule of law, law enforcement standardization, asked us every step of the the law enforcement of public security organs to withstand legal challenges. I this time I accepted penalties traffic violations after the situation has come back to Council colleagues said, different people, different understanding of the law. I think the program is illegal, some police think it's legitimate.
Upstream News: here are concerned the issue of administrative punishment right before?
Xiaolin Zhang: it has in our standard law enforcement procedure. My law enforcement for more than 20 years, my law enforcement experience, before I make administrative punishment to parties, I will comply with the requirements to the parties a written notice of administrative penalty, the other party to sign. This notice and I want to stay in the case, in order to prevent other administrative reconsideration or administrative proceedings in the future. But the traffic police do not have this program.
Upstream News: what made you decide to bring an administrative suit?
Xiaolin Zhang: proceedings, including administrative review, I made a rule of law research activities. I'm from the police force for more than 20 years, cases, and in the process, some people think we do case unlawful, have sued, administrative reconsideration or petition. People have rights, but their legal knowledge is still lacking.
This time I want to change status and became ordinary citizens, to field public security organs and the Court experience how difficult people in the advocacy process.
When I went to litigation and reconsideration, not saying I was a police officer, I'm just an ordinary citizen, dressed in civilian clothes.
We are specialized in legal positions of civilian police, after I finished fine is paid, they have a different opinion, including many of our leaders, views are not uniform. I just wanted to, I may as well go to the review, go to litigation, they see the results of this lawsuit, at least in the us, to set off a culture of learning.
> Xiaolin Zhang in the administrative complaint, said Wei Cheng Police Brigade in front of the administrative penalty is not fulfilling obligations. Respondents posted pictures on the Forum
Gate into the ugly face difficulty, I am very disappointed
Upstream News: have you ever thought about before process and results?
Xiaolin Zhang: I am confident, result before I review and litigation I have thought about, I'm sure I can win.
Upstream News: what does your confidence comes from?
Xiaolin Zhang: is the understanding of the law. But people often don't know where the points, they do not understand. Is really "silos".
Upstream News: difference actually thought big?
Xiaolin Zhang: the ending I expected. I didn't type case, I did not want to make a case needs for so long. In addition, the history have so many people feel in the middle of a very bad place, didn't think of that. Improper time ordinary people really don't know "hard, ugly face and difficulty".
Upstream News: do you feel disappointed?
Xiaolin Zhang: is really disappointing.
Upstream News: what difficulties had been encountered.
Xiaolin Zhang: "hard, ugly face" of this process, I was experiencing it. I hope to have more public security authority or court leadership see my experience, able to adjust the style of work, the working time of the staff of, don't allow people to do little things are so difficult.
> Weicheng District Court decision of administrative judgement, Weicheng Police Brigade is illegal. Respondents posted pictures on the Forum
Read the written decision is implementation of the notification procedure? Big joke
Upstream News: I heard nowhere?
Xiaolin Zhang: the so-called "Nowhere" that is to say, I started to go to administrative review. According to the law, administrative review are within the public security organs, they should give me the results within 7 days. The efficiency is very high, but the Court needed after six months, so if administrative review can be solved I will not go to litigation.
In accordance with the provisions of the law on administrative reconsideration, reconsideration, there are two ways, one way is written administrative reconsideration, the other is verbal administrative review. But for the first time, they did not accept my verbal review, saying that I must be issued to the application, which in itself is a violation of. I can verbally, why writing it?
After talking for half an hour later I sent applications. He said no, it will go out today and let me come. I over more than 100 kilometres from h to xianyang, again another day? Reconsideration is not successful the first time.
The second time I went to when writing the application in advance. In accordance with the provisions of the administrative review law, law on administrative punishment, our procedure is called a "notification procedure before the punishment." In other words, they gave me before you issue a written decision of administrative penalty, fines, I have to issue a written notice or tell the record, let me sign, this is a must-have program. Because the police team did not, so I didn't go to the administrative review. When I went to review, was paid the money and take the punishment book, that is, they definitely did not fulfill a penalty before the procedure.
I went to after, rule of law section's staff took my punishment decided to have a book for me to read, I read out of said he fulfilled his duties. This is a very unprofessional practices.
Therefore, I think they gave me administrative reconsideration is not realistic. His attitude is poor, and is, his ignorance of the law.
Upstream News: rule of law section's staff read the written decision is implementation of the notification procedure, you were surprised?
Xiaolin Zhang: in our view, this is the greatest joke. As long as the person who is a legal status, are all common sense, before administrative penalties, you must inform them, that is their right.
Upstream News: I heard that Court's case there is a problem?
Xiaolin Zhang: they made at the time of the first hearing for us mediation, administrative procedure law expressly provides that the administrative litigation is mediation is not suitable for mediation is generally aiming at equality of the parties. Administrative litigation is commonly known as the "mingaoguan", and the officer is not in itself equal, cannot go to mediation. They want to mediate the matter, that in itself is contrary to the provisions of the administrative procedure law.
I don't care if "traitor" is, I feel that they are all among the masses to cause trouble
Upstream News: you many things you do are not worth it, why are you so serious?
Xiaolin Zhang: I think the laws so complicated, when people go to review, which can catch to win was very confused. Business really is "door hard, ugly face, difficulty", including your door on hard to find they weren't, you go to court and drag on your six ... ... Very difficult, really difficult!
There are a lot of people told me to give up, said nothing. Some people also worry about me as the police to accuse the public security organs, the leadership of the public security organs will not agree. People know that their law enforcement agencies is not standardized, they say, I want the exposure, saying I was "scum" and "traitor". But I don't mind, I want to experience how difficult people's rights.
This article in the hope that people can get a fairer deal, I also hope that the State can improve their work style, which is my goal.
Upstream News: Finally, what do?
Xiaolin Zhang: after the end of the case I reported to my section on our Board, doing in the Council after they saw the promotion. First of all, at least in our public Security Bureau, we are more determined. In front of the administrative penalties must be party to the procedure before the administrative punishment, avoid such actions in the future, our civilian police, law enforcement operations are to some extent improved. Otherwise I think are pretty good, at least in administrative punishment before the Court did not disclose this evidence to support me.
Despite many problems, but in the process, I feel that they are all sorts of difficulties among the masses.
If successful this time, but I think my research of little value.
On April 13, the upstream Chongqing morning news reporter called Weicheng district, xianyang City News-Police Brigade (the defendant) Office, said the matter should contact the Office of the police on duty. But repeated Office calls, no answer.
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>: Tang Xiaohui
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陕西警察维权起诉交警支队被指责是“叛徒”|维权|警察|叛徒_新闻资讯
>《一个民警的行政维权体验》网络爆料网贴截图。
近日，多个论坛出现一篇题为《一个民警的行政维权体验》的文章，文章作者张晓林（化名）自称陕西省渭南市一个县公安局民警，兼职法制员，最近以公民的身份，就因违停被罚款过程中交警大队没有履行行政处罚前的告知程序，状告咸阳市渭城区交警大队并最终胜诉。
张晓林表示，在长达8个月的维权经历中，亲身体验了老百姓到机关单位办事“门难进，脸难看”。同时，相关部门还存在法制意识不强，办事不规范等问题。
>张晓林收到的违停告知单。受访者发布于论坛内上的图片
上游新闻-重庆晨报记者通过网帖上留下的电话和张晓林取得联系，并在上述陕西省渭南市该县公安局相关派出所核实了张晓林的民警身份。
4月12日，上游新闻-重庆晨报记者（中国爆料热线：M17702387875@163.com）对话民警张晓林，就维权事件的来龙去脉和感受进行了采访。
>渭城交警大队出具的违停处罚决定书。受访者发布于论坛内上的图片
我没有说是警察维权，我就是个普通的公民
上游新闻：这个事情为什么会引起一次多方关注的讨论？
张晓林：国家要求依法治国，执法规范化，要求我们公安机关的每一步执法要经得起法律的考验。我把我这一次交通违法接受处罚的情形回来给局里的同事说了之后，不同的人对法律的理解不同。我认为程序不合法，有些民警就觉得是合法的。
上游新闻：在此之前有没有关注过行政处罚知情权的问题？
张晓林：这在我们标准的执法程序中有。我执法二十多年了，在我的执法经历中，在我对当事人作出行政处罚之前，我一定会按照规定给当事人出具书面的行政处罚告知书，对方要签字。这张通知书我要留在案件里，以防止将来对方要行政复议或行政诉讼。但这次交警队就没有这个程序。
上游新闻：是什么因素让你决定提起行政诉讼？
张晓林：这次诉讼，包括行政复议，是我做的一次法治调研活动。我从警二十多年，办的案件无数，在这个过程中，有老百姓认为我们办的案子不合法，曾经起诉过、行政复议过，甚至信访过。老百姓有维权意识，但是他们的法律知识还是比较欠缺的。
这次我就想改变一下身份，变成普通老百姓，去外地的公安机关和法院体验一下老百姓在维权的过程中到底有多难。
我去诉讼和复议的时候，没有说我是警察，我就是个普通的公民，穿着便服去的。
我们局里专门有法制岗位的民警，我交完罚款之后，他们有不同的意见，包括我们很多的中层领导，意见都不统一。我就想，我干脆去复议、去诉讼，把这个诉讼结果给他们看，起码在我们局里能掀起一股学法的风气。
> 张晓林在行政起诉书上指出，渭城交警大队在行政处罚前没有履行告知义务。受访者发布于论坛内上的图片
门难进脸难看事难办，我很失望
上游新闻：之前有没有预想过过程和结果？
张晓林：我很自信的，结果我在复议和诉讼之前我都是想过的，我认为我肯定是能赢。
上游新闻：你的自信来源于什么？
张晓林：就是对法律的了解吧。但老百姓往往不知道要点在哪里，他们不懂。真的是“隔行如隔山”。
上游新闻：实际上跟预想的差别大吗？
张晓林：结局是在我预料之中的。我没有打过官司，我没有想过打个官司需要这么长时间。另外，中间的历程有那么多让人心情很不好的地方，确实没有想到。不当一回普通的老百姓，真的是不知道“门难进，脸难看，事难办”。
上游新闻：对这一点你觉得很失望？
张晓林：确实是失望。
上游新闻：遇到了什么样的困难。
张晓林：进机关单位“门难进，脸难看”的这个过程，我是体验了一下。我希望能有更多的公安机关或法院领导看到我的经历，能够对工作人员的工作作风、上班时间做一下调整，不要让老百姓办个小小的事情都那么难。
>渭城区法院作出的行政判决书判定，渭城交警大队行为违法。受访者发布于论坛内上的图片
念《处罚决定书》算是履行告知程序？天大的笑话
上游新闻：听说还投诉无门了？
张晓林：所谓的“投诉无门”就是说，我一开始去行政复议。按照法律，行政复议就是在公安机关内部的，他们7天之内就应该给我结果。这个效率是非常的高，但是法院就需要经过半年，所以如果行政复议能够解决我就不去诉讼。
按照行政复议法的规定，复议有两种途径，一种途径是书面的行政复议，另一种就是口头的行政复议。但是第一次去，他们不接受我的口头复议，说我必须要出具申请书，这本身就是违法的。我可以口头，为什么非要书面的呢？
后来我说半个小时后把申请书送来。他说不行，今天要出门了，让我改天再来。我从H县到咸阳一百多公里，改天再去？第一次复议就没有成功。
我第二次去的时候，提前写好申请。按照行政复议法、行政处罚法的规定，我们的告知程序就叫做“处罚前告知程序”。也就是说，他们给我出具行政处罚决定书、罚钱之前，就必须给我出具一份书面的告知书或告知记录，让我签字，这是必须有的程序。因为交警队没有，所以我才去行政复议。我去复议的时候，已经是交过钱，领了处罚书，也就是说，他们铁定没有履行处罚前的告知程序。
结果我去了以后，法制科的工作人员拿着我的处罚决定书给我念了一下，给我念完了就说他履行完他的职责了。这是一个很外行的做法。
因此，我觉得依靠他们给我行政复议是不现实的。他态度上太差，再一个是，他不懂法。
上游新闻：法制科的工作人员念《处罚决定书》算是履行告知程序，你当时心里很惊讶？
张晓林：这在我们行内来看，这真是天大的笑话。只要是法制岗位的人，都有这个常识，行政处罚前你就要告知人家，这是人家的权利。
上游新闻：听说法院的办案也出现了问题？
张晓林：他们在第一次开庭的时候提出给我们调解，行政诉讼法明文规定，行政诉讼是不适用调解的，调解一般是针对当事人平等的情况。行政诉讼就是俗称的“民告官”，民和官本身就是不平等的，不可能去调解。他们要调解这个事，这本身就是违背行政诉讼法的规定的。
我不在乎“叛徒”的说法，我感受到他们对群众的种种刁难
上游新闻：你身边很多人看来你做的事情都不值得，你为什么那么较真？
张晓林：我就想体律那么复杂，老百姓去复议的时候，到底抓住哪条可以获胜，是很迷茫的。办事也真的是“门难进、脸难看、事难办”，包括你进门就很难，去找他们他们人又不在，你去打官司又拖了你半年呐……好难，真的好难！
有好多人都劝我放弃，说不值。有的人还担心我作为警察去告公安机关，公安机关的领导都不会同意。内部人都知道他们执法不规范，人家都不说，我非要曝光，说我是“败类”、“叛徒”。但是我不在乎，我就想体验一下老百姓维权有多难。
通过这篇文章，希望以后老百姓能够得到比较公正的待遇，我也希望国家机关能够改进他们的作风，这就是我的目标。
上游新闻：最后有什么收获吗？
张晓林：案件结束后，我把我的过程呈报给我们局里的法制科，他们看到了以后在局里做了推广。首先，至少在我们公安局内部，大家更坚定意见。在行政处罚前，必须给当事人履行行政处罚前告知程序，以免我们日后出现这样的诉讼，我们的民警、执法业务都得到一定程度的提升。别的方面我觉得都挺好，至少法院在行政处罚前没有告知这个证据方面支持了我。
尽管遇到很多问题，但在这个过程中，我感受到他们对群众的种种刁难。
如果这次一帆风顺，我反而觉得我的这次调研没什么价值。
4月13日，上游新闻-重庆晨报记者致电咸阳市渭城交警大队（被告）值班室，值班民警称此事要跟办公室联系。但记者多次拨打办公室电话，无人接听。
来源：上游新闻-重庆晨报
>责任编辑：初晓慧
文章关键词： 维权 警察 叛徒
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